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Post by gadgetrick on Feb 14, 2023 11:42:32 GMT -5
So, I don't want to be like the FourtyWhiners and throw sour grapes but, well, I understand they normally give the MVP to the winner (normally QB) but, Mahomes didn't do anything crazy while Hurts tied or broke 3 records (two for SB and one for any game). Other than his fumble, he balled out like a MFer. This should have been a time where someone on the losing team won the MVP (IMO). I mean it doesn't mean much but would have been nice.
Anyway, still hearing people complain about the call at the end of the game. Yes, it was an horrible call given the context. But no, it didn't lose the game. It did, however, effectively end the game. I believe had Hurts gotten the ball back with a minute and a half (or whatever he would have gotten had they not called that penalty) he would have taken them down the field and given them a chance to tie/win. But we'll never know.
The field conditions should never happen. But both teams had to deal with it so not using that as an excuse.
But, I really do hope AZ decides to hire Gannon. I had hoped we were past his lack of ability to slow down a good QB but, apparently, we are not. Please, for you Gannon lovers out there, don't throw the stupid numbers up. The only number that matters is the score at the end of the game and he's shown, time and again, when faced with an above average QB, he cannot stop them. Andy Dalton anyone? And, when faced with an elite QB, well, yeah...
And this is when he was STACKED on defense. I still believe it's his idea of allowing people to complete passes all over the place and hoping to rally to the ball. Works most of the time but not when it matters most--when playing a team of equal or better talent.
Anyway, the loss still burns, sad that this team fell short. This feels like the time we lost to Tampa in the NFC Championship only worse.
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Post by robbieratchet on Feb 14, 2023 12:18:20 GMT -5
Our dumbass fan base: "Other than the one time Hurts lateraled the ball to the defense for an easy TD while we were up 14-7 and driving, in a game we lost by 3 points, he balled out! He should've been the MVP!"
Also, our dumbass fan base: "GaNnOn neEdS tO Go!"
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Post by rumply on Feb 14, 2023 15:03:41 GMT -5
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Post by robbieratchet on Feb 14, 2023 15:09:16 GMT -5
Wow, don't the Cardinals know how bad he is?
God our fan base sucks ass. Listening to WIP tomorrow morning will probably be worse than yesterday morning.
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Post by dreagon on Feb 14, 2023 18:26:45 GMT -5
It was a great game ruined by a bad holding call.
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Post by gadgetrick on Feb 15, 2023 6:37:51 GMT -5
Our dumbass fan base: "Other than the one time Hurts lateraled the ball to the defense for an easy TD while we were up 14-7 and driving, in a game we lost by 3 points, he balled out! He should've been the MVP!" Also, our dumbass fan base: "GaNnOn neEdS tO Go!" Really, you're still defending Gannon? And we're the dumbass base. Right... You sit there AGAIN, and watch his defense shit the bed against a good QB. But yeah, he's a GREAT DC...
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Post by gadgetrick on Feb 15, 2023 6:39:14 GMT -5
It was a great game ruined by a bad holding call. While it was a bad call, it didn't cost the game, it certainly ended it but it didn't cost it. Had the defense gotten one...JUST ONE...stop during the 2nd half, we would be talking about a very different thing. Also, we benefitted from a bad call earlier in the game as well. So I can't use that call as an excuse. Guess I'm just a dumbass fan...
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Post by robbieratchet on Feb 15, 2023 10:39:01 GMT -5
I simply point out and live in reality. I've been a Philly sports fan for 40 years, believe me I'm used to our drooling moron fan base. Most of the time it's all fun, but at times like these it gets super annoying. TO, who single-handedly destroyed our entire 2005 season, will get a standing ovation anywhere he goes in Philly. McNabb, the greatest QB in franchise history, will get booed by half of us. Countless other examples. And of course, our favorite pastime, shitting on any DC who isn't named Ryan or Johnson. Whether it's Schwartz, who actually won something, or Gannon, who led arguably the best defense in football this year. Why? I don't know, I'm not the dumbass. Don't ask me. I'd guess some sort of nostalgia that can never be repeated.
The defense basically gave up 24 points. Our special teams and Hurts spotted the Chiefs 14 points. And I'm watching all over social media (and here) our dumbass fan base crucifying Gannon, while praising Hurts as if he was perfect.
Overall he had a great game. Unfortunately, he also committed one of the worst plays I've ever seen in the history of sports. That fumble was right up there with Bill Buckner. If I was a neutral fan, I'd assume he owed money to the mob or something. We were up 14-7 and driving. That not only gave KC a free 7 points, but completely deflated all momentum. And you're trashing the defense (or specifically the DC), while saying he should've been the MVP. That's what I mean when I talk about our hater, dumbass fan base.
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Post by rumply on Feb 15, 2023 16:53:48 GMT -5
The Hurts fumble was horrible but we would all take it every time knowing the numbers he would eventually put up.
The O did it's job, 35 points the highest losing score in a SB, that score should win you the game.
The D eventually got the stop needed but had to commit a blatant hold to do so so there's that. Anyone thinking that wasn't a hold is kidding themselves, we'd still be screaming about it if roles were reversed and they didn't call it.
I'm not hanging Gannon for the loss but his players were clearly unprepared for Reid's endzone plays, it was diabolically bad. KC were never not scoring on those 2nd half drives, our D looked impotent.
It's best for all involved Gannon moved on & good luck to him in Zona, he's gonna need it 😜
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Post by robbieratchet on Feb 15, 2023 19:26:06 GMT -5
The Hurts fumble was horrible but we would all take it every time knowing the numbers he would eventually put up. Umm, no. It was the difference between winning and losing. The O did their job, scoring 35 points. The D did their job, giving up 24 points. Hurts and the special teams spotted them an additional 14 points. No single unit/person deserves all the blame, I'm just responding to Gannon hater shit, and how we have a tradition of doing that. Billy Davis sucked and Juan Castillo was a joke hire, but Sean McD is going to win a Super Bowl within the next few years, Schwartz actually did win one for us, and Gannon is also now a HC. They all got major crap from Philly fans. Gannon and McD have the two best winning pct. as DC in Eagles history by the way, not that it would matter to our dumbass fan base.
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Post by rumply on Feb 15, 2023 20:39:30 GMT -5
News Flash - All QB's turn the ball over, ALL OF THEM.
If pregame you are offered the following QB stats, you take them every time for any game let alone the SB. Anyone who says otherwise is full of shit.
Passing - 304yds 1 TD Rushing - 70yds 3 TD's 1 fumble 0 interceptions
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Post by rumply on Feb 15, 2023 20:56:00 GMT -5
What was more costly -
1. 1 fumble for 6 points 2. 1 special teams blunder 3. a Defence that looked unprepared & lost at times for a large part of the game?
If we are honest we all know the answer is without question 3.
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Post by gadgetrick on Feb 16, 2023 6:33:07 GMT -5
I simply point out and live in reality. I've been a Philly sports fan for 40 years, believe me I'm used to our drooling moron fan base. Most of the time it's all fun, but at times like these it gets super annoying. TO, who single-handedly destroyed our entire 2005 season, will get a standing ovation anywhere he goes in Philly. McNabb, the greatest QB in franchise history, will get booed by half of us. Countless other examples. And of course, our favorite pastime, shitting on any DC who isn't named Ryan or Johnson. Whether it's Schwartz, who actually won something, or Gannon, who led arguably the best defense in football this year. Why? I don't know, I'm not the dumbass. Don't ask me. I'd guess some sort of nostalgia that can never be repeated. The defense basically gave up 24 points. Our special teams and Hurts spotted the Chiefs 14 points. And I'm watching all over social media (and here) our dumbass fan base crucifying Gannon, while praising Hurts as if he was perfect. Overall he had a great game. Unfortunately, he also committed one of the worst plays I've ever seen in the history of sports. That fumble was right up there with Bill Buckner. If I was a neutral fan, I'd assume he owed money to the mob or something. We were up 14-7 and driving. That not only gave KC a free 7 points, but completely deflated all momentum. And you're trashing the defense (or specifically the DC), while saying he should've been the MVP. That's what I mean when I talk about our hater, dumbass fan base. So, you're saying the fumble was bigger than the defense not stopping the Chiefs on 7 or their 8 possessions? And you're saying those of us questioning Gannon are the morons? Really? You need to get over these numbers you keep looking at. The defense lost this game. No other way to look at it. When Hurts fumbled, it tied the game. The Eagles then went up 10 at the half. Did Hurts fumble in the 2nd half? Did he turn the ball over at all in the 2nd half? Did the defense do ANYTHING to stop the Chiefs in the 2nd half? But sure, go on about the numbers. Again, explain why EVERY time Gannon's defense faced a good QB they shit the bed? Please, show me ONE game--just ONE--where his defense performed well against anything other than a mediocre QB in the 2 years he had as DC. I'll wait for you to find that game. I AM talking about his numbers, his numbers in the biggest of games where he tends to fall short. He fell horribly-short on Sunday. When your team goes up 10 at half time, you expect the defense to get at least ONE stop in the 2nd half. They couldn't do that. And yes, it cost them the game. Keep making excuses. The guy lost the SB for the Eagles. Just to remind you (again), Chiefs had the ball 8 times, they scored 7 times. If you think his defense played well? Not saying special teams didn't screw up but that's ONE play. The defense had LOTS of plays to make something happen. They never did. But I guess you're right, they had nothing to do with this loss...
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Post by gadgetrick on Feb 16, 2023 6:35:31 GMT -5
The Hurts fumble was horrible but we would all take it every time knowing the numbers he would eventually put up. The D did their job, giving up 24 points. This is exactly why nobody can take you seriously about the defense. They did their job? Really? Again, how many stops did they get in the 2nd half? You know, when they started the half up 10 points?
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Post by gadgetrick on Feb 16, 2023 6:36:10 GMT -5
What was more costly - 1. 1 fumble for 6 points 2. 1 special teams blunder 3. a Defence that looked unprepared & lost at times for a large part of the game? If we are honest we all know the answer is without question 3. Exactly...
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Post by robbieratchet on Feb 16, 2023 10:16:55 GMT -5
News Flash - All QB's turn the ball over, ALL OF THEM. If pregame you are offered the following QB stats, you take them every time for any game let alone the SB. Anyone who says otherwise is full of shit. Passing - 304yds 1 TD Rushing - 70yds 3 TD's 1 fumble 0 interceptions Actually no, not all QB's turn the ball over. For instance, Mahomes didn't. Yes, I would take those numbers all day long. Though it would be nice if you disclosed that the 1 fumble was returned for a TD, and we lost by 3 points..... How about you? If I told you the defense would give up 24 points to Mahomes, would you take that all day long, and be praising Gannon and the defense, assuming we won a SB? The answer is yes you would. And true to form, our dumbass fan base posts a video of a completely blown coverage with players yelling at each other, and thinks it makes their point. The defense didn't look good in the 2nd half. They still gave up 24 points. That was good enough to win without Hurts and special teams spotting them 14. I know our dumbass fan base doesn't like numbers, because it destroys their arguments. But still, they exist, and I'll keep pointing them out.
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Post by gadgetrick on Feb 16, 2023 13:29:55 GMT -5
News Flash - All QB's turn the ball over, ALL OF THEM. If pregame you are offered the following QB stats, you take them every time for any game let alone the SB. Anyone who says otherwise is full of shit. Passing - 304yds 1 TD Rushing - 70yds 3 TD's 1 fumble 0 interceptions Actually no, not all QB's turn the ball over. For instance, Mahomes didn't. Yes, I would take those numbers all day long. Though it would be nice if you disclosed that the 1 fumble was returned for a TD, and we lost by 3 points..... How about you? If I told you the defense would give up 24 points to Mahomes, would you take that all day long, and be praising Gannon and the defense, assuming we won a SB? The answer is yes you would. And true to form, our dumbass fan base posts a video of a completely blown coverage with players yelling at each other, and thinks it makes their point. The defense didn't look good in the 2nd half. They still gave up 24 points. That was good enough to win without Hurts and special teams spotting them 14. I know our dumbass fan base doesn't like numbers, because it destroys their arguments. But still, they exist, and I'll keep pointing them out. So, you keep hanging your hat on, "defense only gave up 24 points..." yet you won't let the fumble go. Yes, it cost 7 points. However, let's remember, it only TIED the game and they then went up 2 scores before the half. I'd say the offense definitely did their job to make up for a mistake. not to mention, Hurts balled his ass off in the 2nd half to try and make up for the fact the defense was an open door for the Chiefs. Please, enlighten me in how you think the defense did a good job just because they, "only gave up 24 points..." I mean, again, you want to go with stats, would you say allowing a score on 7 of 8 possessions is considered a good defensive game? I mean, if they'd gotten just one stop in the 2nd half...just ONE...they win that game. But they didn't. Why? Because, as usual, Gannon made ZERO adjustments to what the Chiefs changed at the half. The Eagles held the ball for over 20 minutes in the first half, in part because of the fumble for sure as it took a possession away from the Chiefs. However, with the way the rest of the game played, I have my doubts on whether the defense could have stopped them. They couldn't stop them the rest of the times (except once). And again, please, I'm waiting on when the defense performed well against a good QB. You always just come back to the same numbers yet won't answer questions like this because you know the answers show how bad Gannon truly is. You love to use numbers but yet you ignore the most important of numbers. They lost because the defense didn't get a stop when they needed it...NOT ONE STOP. Yet you want to still sit here and tell us how great the defense was because they, "only gave up 24 points..." Forget about the other numbers that don't support your ridiculous argument. Yes, ridiculous. You're like about the ONLY person who isn't saying Gannon's defense shit the bed...again...when faced with a good QB. But we're the morons? Seems like you should be looking in the mirror on this one. You're the one guy screaming how great he is while EVERYONE else agrees on the problems. Sometimes, when you're the ONLY person believing something, you are the crazy person. This would be one of those times.
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Post by eyrie on Feb 16, 2023 15:00:20 GMT -5
What was more costly - 1. 1 fumble for 6 points 2. 1 special teams blunder 3. a Defence that looked unprepared & lost at times for a large part of the game? If we are honest we all know the answer is without question 3. And then there were the two TDs by Toney and Moore. Identical in that the defence overplayed the motion, leaving the Chiefs player wide open. Good coaching prepares the players to stop the second TD.
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Post by robbieratchet on Feb 16, 2023 15:24:22 GMT -5
GoOd cOacHiNg prEveNts BloWn cOveRage.
You have no clue what was said on the sidelines, how the coaches/players communicated with each other, or what happened on the field, other than several coverages were completely blown.
None of your hating will change the numbers and the facts. It was a team loss, and would've been a team win.
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Post by gadgetrick on Feb 16, 2023 16:04:08 GMT -5
GoOd cOacHiNg prEveNts BloWn cOveRage. You have no clue what was said on the sidelines, how the coaches/players communicated with each other, or what happened on the field, other than several coverages were completely blown. None of your hating will change the numbers and the facts. It was a team loss, and would've been a team win. You're right, we don't know what was said, we DO know what WASN'T said and that was what was needed to be said so they didn't get beaten by the same play twice. And, as usual, you sit on your two numbers you keep hanging your hat on but refuse to admit the other numbers--arguably more important--matter. You take the numbers that back your lame argument and forget about the rest. You still won't answer the questions you've been asked. Just keep doubling down on your numbers. But yeah, that fumble...in the first half....is what cost them the game. Not the fact the defense couldn't stop the Chiefs for (essentially) the whole game but definitely the whole 2nd half. In your eyes, this had nothing to do with it because, well, Gannon is a genius right? SMH...
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Post by gadgetrick on Feb 16, 2023 16:04:34 GMT -5
What was more costly - 1. 1 fumble for 6 points 2. 1 special teams blunder 3. a Defence that looked unprepared & lost at times for a large part of the game? If we are honest we all know the answer is without question 3. And then there were the two TDs by Toney and Moore. Identical in that the defence overplayed the motion, leaving the Chiefs player wide open. Good coaching prepares the players to stop the second TD. Exactly what we've seen from Gannon his whole time here when faced with an actual QB who has a clue.
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Post by gadgetrick on Feb 16, 2023 16:34:49 GMT -5
Here's a good take on the game and why they lost. Shocker, because the defense shit the bed... --> clicky<--
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Post by rumply on Feb 16, 2023 20:00:11 GMT -5
couple of ways to interpret this...
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Post by robbieratchet on Feb 17, 2023 10:22:24 GMT -5
Yes, several ways to interpret that:
-If you have an IQ above a toaster, you know the interview process and it just so happens that the first time they could interview Gannon was the day after the SB, which also would be very convenient since he's in their home stadium/town.
-If you have an IQ above a toaster, he's either not to be taken literally, or simply not telling the whole truth.
-If you don't have an IQ above a toaster, and are a drooling moron who is part of our dumbass fan base, you're one of the thousands of retards on the internet right now going "omg Howie wouldn't let him get on the plane lol go Howie!"
Which one are you?
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Post by eyrie on Feb 17, 2023 14:13:15 GMT -5
GoOd cOacHiNg prEveNts BloWn cOveRage. You have no clue what was said on the sidelines, how the coaches/players communicated with each other, or what happened on the field, other than several coverages were completely blown. None of your hating will change the numbers and the facts. It was a team loss, and would've been a team win. You need to get a new keyboard. Several coverages being completely blown is a clear indicator that the defence did not do its job. I don't hate Gannon. I simply recognise that we need an upgrade at defensive co-ordinator when facing elite QBs.
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Post by gadgetrick on Feb 17, 2023 14:40:02 GMT -5
GoOd cOacHiNg prEveNts BloWn cOveRage. You have no clue what was said on the sidelines, how the coaches/players communicated with each other, or what happened on the field, other than several coverages were completely blown. None of your hating will change the numbers and the facts. It was a team loss, and would've been a team win. You need to get a new keyboard. Several coverages being completely blown is a clear indicator that the defence did not do its job. I don't hate Gannon. I simply recognise that we need an upgrade at defensive co-ordinator when facing elite QBs. Well said! That's what I've been saying....
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Post by robbieratchet on Feb 17, 2023 15:15:45 GMT -5
You need to get a new keyboard. Several coverages being completely blown is a clear indicator that the defence did not do its job. I don't hate Gannon. I simply recognise that we need an upgrade at defensive co-ordinator when facing elite QBs. If I get a new keyboard, will you learn how to type in English? It's "defense." Second, yes, you do hate Gannon. So do the others on this thread. It's what we do in Philly, shit on DC's who aren't named Ryan and Johnson. There are literally thousands of idiots on Twitter right now who honestly believe Howie wouldn't let him back on the plane. That's pure hater shit, and pure stupidity. Nobody is saying the defense looked good in the 2nd half. I'm saying it was a team loss, as evidenced by the numbers everyone is able to see. Against one of the better offensive coaches in memory, and a generational talent at QB, they basically gave up 24 points. We scored 35. Do the math.
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Post by eyrie on Feb 17, 2023 17:41:26 GMT -5
You need to get a new keyboard. Several coverages being completely blown is a clear indicator that the defence did not do its job. I don't hate Gannon. I simply recognise that we need an upgrade at defensive co-ordinator when facing elite QBs. Well said! That's what I've been saying.... Great minds think alike.
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Post by eyrie on Feb 17, 2023 17:55:09 GMT -5
You need to get a new keyboard. Several coverages being completely blown is a clear indicator that the defence did not do its job. I don't hate Gannon. I simply recognise that we need an upgrade at defensive co-ordinator when facing elite QBs. If I get a new keyboard, will you learn how to type in English? It's "defense." Second, yes, you do hate Gannon. So do the others on this thread. It's what we do in Philly, shit on DC's who aren't named Ryan and Johnson. There are literally thousands of idiots on Twitter right now who honestly believe Howie wouldn't let him back on the plane. That's pure hater shit, and pure stupidity. Nobody is saying the defense looked good in the 2nd half. I'm saying it was a team loss, as evidenced by the numbers everyone is able to see. Against one of the better offensive coaches in memory, and a generational talent at QB, they basically gave up 24 points. We scored 35. Do the math. It's defence in English and "defense" in America. Read my post again to understand how I feel about Gannon instead of looking for something that isn't there. Our offense gave our defence a ten point lead at half time and scored 35 points. In the second half our defence gave up three TDs and a FG on four drives. If we ignore the short field after the punt return then you equally have to accept that the Chiefs deliberately avoided scoring a TD on the play after the penalty. So our offense did its job and it was our defence that let us down.
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Post by robbieratchet on Feb 17, 2023 18:46:42 GMT -5
It's defence in English and "defense" in America. Read my post again to understand how I feel about Gannon instead of looking for something that isn't there. Our offense gave our defence a ten point lead at half time and scored 35 points. In the second half our defence gave up three TDs and a FG on four drives. If we ignore the short field after the punt return then you equally have to accept that the Chiefs deliberately avoided scoring a TD on the play after the penalty. So our offense did its job and it was our defence that let us down. We should've had a 17 point lead at halftime, at minimum. We didn't because of the Hurts fumble. In the 2nd half our defense played poorly, and our offense kept us in it. Yes, obviously it would be unfair to trash a defense for allowing a TD when Mahomes starts out at the 5, that was on special teams. It was a high scoring game between two powerhouse offenses. Right? Great, then just say that. The problem is, the haters are trashing Gannon instead of "the defense." That's because our dumbass fan base hates Gannon and every other DC who isn't named Ryan or Johnson. This post didn't begin by criticizing the " defense." It began by wishing Gannon to be run out of town - including by you too on another page. All the while, saying Hurts should've been the MVP, which is ludicrous. It was a team loss, end of story. It's what we do, we hate on DC's, just own it. In fact, as we speak, the Phillies are discussing Aaron Nola's extension.....and true to form, our dumbass fan base doesn't think we should do it, because he's "barely a #3 starter." It's Philly, it's part of the package. I get that. I'm still allowed to point it out.
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