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Post by rumply on Feb 17, 2023 19:03:37 GMT -5
GoOd cOacHiNg prEveNts BloWn cOveRage. You have no clue what was said on the sidelines, how the coaches/players communicated with each other, or what happened on the field, other than several coverages were completely blown. None of your hating will change the numbers and the facts. It was a team loss, and would've been a team win. You need to get a new keyboard. Several coverages being completely blown is a clear indicator that the defence did not do its job. I don't hate Gannon. I simply recognise that we need an upgrade at defensive co-ordinator when facing elite QBs. Yes very well put & how many of us feel.
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Post by rumply on Feb 17, 2023 19:06:11 GMT -5
Yes, several ways to interpret that: -If you have an IQ above a toaster, you know the interview process and it just so happens that the first time they could interview Gannon was the day after the SB, which also would be very convenient since he's in their home stadium/town. -If you have an IQ above a toaster, he's either not to be taken literally, or simply not telling the whole truth. -If you don't have an IQ above a toaster, and are a drooling moron who is part of our dumbass fan base, you're one of the thousands of retards on the internet right now going "omg Howie wouldn't let him get on the plane lol go Howie!" Which one are you? My bad, I should have used a giant 'sarcasm' emoji for those a little on the slow side. In the meantime, here, have one of these š
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Post by rumply on Feb 17, 2023 19:10:51 GMT -5
& 'defence' isn't a misspelling, it's simply how most of the non US English speaking world spell it.
A couple other examples would be -
licence license offence offense pretence pretense
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Post by robbieratchet on Feb 17, 2023 19:23:07 GMT -5
& 'defence' isn't a misspelling, it's simply how most of the non US English speaking world spell it. A couple other examples would be - licence license offence offense pretence pretense Thanks for the info. You're going to have a tough time properly using a sarcasm emoji if you're too stupid to actually understand sarcasm. But thanks for displaying once again how dumb you are.
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Post by rumply on Feb 17, 2023 22:18:55 GMT -5
Any time bud, we are all just here to gaze in awe at the wonder of your big brain š¤Æ...
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Post by robbieratchet on Feb 18, 2023 0:42:46 GMT -5
Any time bud, we are all just here to gaze in awe at the wonder of your big brain š¤Æ... You self-owned. Congrats.
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Post by eyrie on Feb 18, 2023 5:29:06 GMT -5
My actual words on the other thread were "Hopefully Gannon is too busy signing a contract with the Cardinals to answer any questions for us."
It's a strange claim that I wanted him run out of town which implies I hate him, want him sacked and never want to hear about him again. In fact I've stated a positive outcome for both parties with Gannon moving up to HC and us getting a new DC.
I'm comfortable with how our offense played in the SuperBowl putting up 35 points. I'm disappointed in our defence not being able to do a better job of defending those points because one stop in the second half would have given us a chance to win the game.
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Post by aquila on Feb 18, 2023 5:33:25 GMT -5
I realise we're all disappointed by the loss, but let's keep it civil please.
For the avoidance of doubt - calling Gannon a dumbass is a matter of opinion and fine as long as he doesn't post here - being a dumbass is fine - calling another poster a dumbass isn't what we're here for.
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Post by gadgetrick on Feb 18, 2023 8:08:39 GMT -5
You need to get a new keyboard. Several coverages being completely blown is a clear indicator that the defence did not do its job. I don't hate Gannon. I simply recognise that we need an upgrade at defensive co-ordinator when facing elite QBs. If I get a new keyboard, will you learn how to type in English? It's "defense." Second, yes, you do hate Gannon. So do the others on this thread. It's what we do in Philly, shit on DC's who aren't named Ryan and Johnson. There are literally thousands of idiots on Twitter right now who honestly believe Howie wouldn't let him back on the plane. That's pure hater shit, and pure stupidity. Nobody is saying the defense looked good in the 2nd half. I'm saying it was a team loss, as evidenced by the numbers everyone is able to see. Against one of the better offensive coaches in memory, and a generational talent at QB, they basically gave up 24 points. We scored 35. Do the math. Now you want to backtrack... You CLEARLY said it wasn't the defense which cost the game, it was Hurts, it was anything but the defense. Claiming the team loss thing. Yeah, it's a team, they lost, however, the defense let them down when they needed it most...exactly what Gannon's defense has done for the past 2 seasons when faced with someone who actually knows how to QB a team. The defense didn't get a stop in the second half...when they started up 10 points....do the math...
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Post by gadgetrick on Feb 18, 2023 8:18:41 GMT -5
It's defence in English and "defense" in America. Read my post again to understand how I feel about Gannon instead of looking for something that isn't there. Our offense gave our defence a ten point lead at half time and scored 35 points. In the second half our defence gave up three TDs and a FG on four drives. If we ignore the short field after the punt return then you equally have to accept that the Chiefs deliberately avoided scoring a TD on the play after the penalty. So our offense did its job and it was our defence that let us down. We should've had a 17 point lead at halftime, at minimum. We didn't because of the Hurts fumble. In the 2nd half our defense played poorly, and our offense kept us in it. Yes, obviously it would be unfair to trash a defense for allowing a TD when Mahomes starts out at the 5, that was on special teams. It was a high scoring game between two powerhouse offenses. Right? Great, then just say that. The problem is, the haters are trashing Gannon instead of "the defense." That's because our dumbass fan base hates Gannon and every other DC who isn't named Ryan or Johnson. This post didn't begin by criticizing the " defense." It began by wishing Gannon to be run out of town - including by you too on another page. All the while, saying Hurts should've been the MVP, which is ludicrous. It was a team loss, end of story. It's what we do, we hate on DC's, just own it. In fact, as we speak, the Phillies are discussing Aaron Nola's extension.....and true to form, our dumbass fan base doesn't think we should do it, because he's "barely a #3 starter." It's Philly, it's part of the package. I get that. I'm still allowed to point it out. Get off the, "it's what we do, "argument. It's just dumb. Special teams has been a problem all season and it finally bit them on the biggest of stages. So sure, it was a short field. What about the other drives in the 2nd half? What about the other 6 drives where they allowed a score (and only 1 stop the whole game)? And yes, they could have been up more had Hurts not fumbled the ball. However, they did go back up 10 points right after that. So, while it did affect the game, it's hardly the reason they lost. It was big...huge even, but they recovered and still scored more than their average points. The defense? Yeah, they gave up more than their average. Sure, you can say, "but they only gave up 24 points! That's still giving up an average of 3 points per possession (based on the 8 possessions the Chiefs had). But wait, the fumble/TD took a possession away from the Chiefs. So the defense benefitted from that. So they could have given up MORE points--and based on how they played the game, probably would have given up more points. And let's not forget the sit down so they wouldn't score a TD. There's MORE points they would have given up. If you're going to take credit on one side, you have to talk about the affect on the other side. You just can't admit the defense shit the bed. You refuse to talk about how this happened EVERY time they faced a good QB. Again, please, talk about a game where a Gannon defense stopped a QB who was more than average? You could say Kirk Cousins in the first game of the season....that's about it. If the defense showed up the other day, they would have their 2nd SB trophy. No two ways about it.
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Post by robbieratchet on Feb 18, 2023 10:40:57 GMT -5
I realise we're all disappointed by the loss, but let's keep it civil please. For the avoidance of doubt - calling Gannon a dumbass is a matter of opinion and fine as long as he doesn't post here - being a dumbass is fine - calling another poster a dumbass isn't what we're here for. "Realize." But ok, I'm pretty much done with these threads. Arguing with morons on the internet does nothing other than make me realize that democracy is hopeless. Maybe you guys have the right idea with a king/queen. The notion that every person who survives to the age of 18 gets an equal say in how our society is run is absolutely insane, and if that was the case then the Founders would've surrendered to the Brits and demanded their king back.....especially when you consider the average intelligence of those you interact with. Voting and breeding should require an IQ of triple digits.
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Post by mcnabbulous on Feb 18, 2023 10:54:09 GMT -5
This thread is a pretty prime example of why I donāt hang around here anymoreā¦
But I just want to point out how dumb it is to assume Hurtsā fumble is why we only had a 10 point lead and not 17 at half time.
Who knows how the rest of that half plays out had we not fumbled. But at best, we would have punted after that play up by 7. Maybe KC puts together a drive? Maybe we only get one more possession. Hell, if Seamulo doesnāt false start just prior to that, Hurts doesnāt even run that play.
It was a bad fumble, but we scored 10 points afterwards and took a sizable lead the defense couldnāt hold into the half.
It was a team loss, that included a bad turnover, bad special teams play and a questionable call. But the defense sucked. Which largely had to do with the field. And our DCās inability to adjust to those conditions.
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Post by robbieratchet on Feb 18, 2023 18:09:58 GMT -5
It was early in the 2nd quarter and we were driving, while up 14-7. I'm pretty sure all of us felt great, and KC fans were on edge. Obviously we can't know exactly what would've happened, but assuming we go up by 10 or 14 at that point, it changes the game. Maybe Andy goes into uber-passing mode. Their running game was very effective against us, maybe they don't run as much then. Instead, the fumble-td completely changed all momentum, and the entire game.
But yes, ultimately it was a team loss.
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Post by rumply on Feb 18, 2023 18:44:19 GMT -5
a bit more context as to just how bad that defensive performance was -
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Post by robbieratchet on Feb 18, 2023 20:40:47 GMT -5
a bit more context as to just how bad that defensive performance was - Neat. Care to calculate how the drive from the 5 yard line factored into that metric?
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Post by rumply on Feb 18, 2023 21:05:26 GMT -5
yep, no influence.
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Post by robbieratchet on Feb 18, 2023 23:09:51 GMT -5
yep, no influence. A simple "I have no clue how this metric was done but it fits my narrative" would've sufficed.
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Post by eyrie on Feb 19, 2023 5:18:51 GMT -5
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Post by gadgetrick on Feb 19, 2023 9:19:54 GMT -5
It was early in the 2nd quarter and we were driving, while up 14-7. I'm pretty sure all of us felt great, and KC fans were on edge. Obviously we can't know exactly what would've happened, but assuming we go up by 10 or 14 at that point, it changes the game. Maybe Andy goes into uber-passing mode. Their running game was very effective against us, maybe they don't run as much then. Instead, the fumble-td completely changed all momentum, and the entire game. But yes, ultimately it was a team loss. It changed the momentum briefly. The Eagles went down and immediately scored a TD. You're right, can't know what would have happened, however we do know what DID happen in the 2nd half and that had nothing to do with his fumble.
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Post by gadgetrick on Feb 19, 2023 9:20:42 GMT -5
a bit more context as to just how bad that defensive performance was - Neat. Care to calculate how the drive from the 5 yard line factored into that metric? Care to calculate the defense getting ZERO stops in the 2nd half factored into that metric?
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Post by gadgetrick on Feb 19, 2023 9:21:23 GMT -5
yep, no influence. A simple "I have no clue how this metric was done but it fits my narrative" would've sufficed. Exactly. So you demand an answer all while ignoring questions yourself....
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Post by gadgetrick on Feb 19, 2023 9:21:59 GMT -5
Pretty much sums it up. Too bad I'm such a moron for seeing how badly the defense played...
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Post by gadgetrick on Feb 19, 2023 9:25:33 GMT -5
I realise we're all disappointed by the loss, but let's keep it civil please. For the avoidance of doubt - calling Gannon a dumbass is a matter of opinion and fine as long as he doesn't post here - being a dumbass is fine - calling another poster a dumbass isn't what we're here for. "Realize." But ok, I'm pretty much done with these threads. Arguing with morons on the internet does nothing other than make me realize that democracy is hopeless. Maybe you guys have the right idea with a king/queen. The notion that every person who survives to the age of 18 gets an equal say in how our society is run is absolutely insane, and if that was the case then the Founders would've surrendered to the Brits and demanded their king back.....especially when you consider the average intelligence of those you interact with. Voting and breeding should require an IQ of triple digits. Typical, ignore questions and keep doubling-down on your concept the defense actually played well enough to win then, when EVERYONE tells you you're crazy, you take your ball and go home while calling everyone morons. But yeah, we're the morons here. SMH...
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Post by mcnabbulous on Feb 19, 2023 10:24:00 GMT -5
It was early in the 2nd quarter and we were driving, while up 14-7.Ā I'm pretty sure all of us felt great, and KC fans were on edge.Ā Obviously we can't know exactly what would've happened, but assuming we go up by 10 or 14 at that point, it changes the game.Ā Maybe Andy goes into uber-passing mode.Ā Their running game was very effective against us, maybe they don't run as much then.Ā Instead, the fumble-td completely changed all momentum, and the entire game. But yes, ultimately it was a team loss. Ā Ā But we were no longer driving when he fumbled. It was 3rd and 6 due to the false start, and it was clear he was not going to pickup the first down. At best, we punt there. Then who knows what happens. But we almost certainly donāt score two more times if we punt there. We barely scored two more times after getting the ball back immediately. Maybe we go into the half up 14, but we could have done that anyways had the refs not bungled the call on DeVontaās sideline catch. So I would say the fumble surprisingly had little impact on the outcome. The false start was probably more detrimental.
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Post by robbieratchet on Feb 19, 2023 11:51:47 GMT -5
But we were no longer driving when he fumbled. It was 3rd and 6 due to the false start, and it was clear he was not going to pickup the first down. At best, we punt there. Then who knows what happens. But we almost certainly donāt score two more times if we punt there. We barely scored two more times after getting the ball back immediately. Maybe we go into the half up 14, but we could have done that anyways had the refs not bungled the call on DeVontaās sideline catch. So I would say the fumble surprisingly had little impact on the outcome. The false start was probably more detrimental. I watched the fumble replay a bunch of times (I don't recommend it). It's hard to find slow-mo from better angles, but I'm not convinced the play is dead if he doesn't fumble. I think he escapes Bolton, which would've given him some room with 3 receivers running around on that side. He clearly slowed down when the ball came loose. Obviously without the false start we easily pick up another first and the point is moot. We can go back and forth all day long on the impact of the fumble TD on the outcome. It completely changed the momentum. But the whole point of the thread is people dumping on a specific coach who we've designated as the fall guy since 2010, "whoever-the-DC-is." It's just lame. There's a lively discussion on some Twitter pages right now, Eagles fans debating whether or not Gannon was a double-agent. For real. In a couple weeks I'll be going to some Phillies spring training games, and look forward to debating with fellow fans on whether or not Nola is a legit MLB starter.
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Post by mcnabbulous on Feb 19, 2023 13:33:05 GMT -5
Fair enough. But Iām not sure you can say it ākilled momentumā when we subsequently scored immediately on our next drive and the final 10 points of the half.
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Post by rumply on Feb 19, 2023 14:43:56 GMT -5
I've seen people dig holes before but this guy will get through to China shortly
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Post by robbieratchet on Feb 19, 2023 15:07:19 GMT -5
Fair enough. But Iām not sure you can say it ākilled momentumā when we subsequently scored immediately on our next drive and the final 10 points of the half. It killed momentum and was deflating in the moment, but the offense came right back out and started it up again, and I think the defense stopped the Chiefs on their next drive. It's still a free 7 points in what was ultimately a close game. It was a good call by Sirianni to give Hurts the ball on the very next offensive play. Oh well.
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Post by mcnabbulous on Feb 19, 2023 16:12:58 GMT -5
Hopefully your takeaway from all of this is that momentum isnāt a real thing.
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Post by robbieratchet on Feb 19, 2023 16:27:53 GMT -5
Hopefully your takeaway from all of this is that momentum isnāt a real thing. Claiming that momentum in sports isn't real is slightly less ridiculous than suggesting Gannon was a double-agent. Of course spotting a team down by 7 a free 7 points completely changes momentum. You can also get it back immediately, as they did. I honestly can't believe the thread has devolved into this, but at least you seem rational about the loss compared to others. Cheers.
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