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Post by hankey on Jun 10, 2019 13:45:41 GMT -5
I think many of us forget just how good McNabb was, especially the guy's first 6 years. While stats provide significant substance, it really doesn't tell the story just how much he carried a substandard offense in those years. I remember them vividly, and remember feeling exasperated by the continuous snubs of ignoring the intangible factor of those years. I think losing the Super Bowl followed by the disastrous '05 season featuring the TO drama really started dividing the fan base. I don't remember hearing much consistent hate for McNabb or Reid until '05 and beyond. Sure, we would bitch about play calling and clock management, or roll our eyes at an errant throw - but up until that year it was clear we were on the rise and destined for a title. After '05, and the departure of TO, it was becoming more clear that we weren't going to win one. I'm an unapologetic Reid hater - for perspective, I was heavily rooting for the Pats to beat them last year (it didn't help that Howard Eskin came out with an anti-McNabb piece 2 days before the game). For me, post-'04 it became clear that we weren't taking the next step for one reason, and one reason only. The NFCCG against the Cardinals was the last straw - we had spanked them earlier in the year (Thanksgiving I believe) by utilizing Westbrook heavily, and what does he do against them in January? 75% pass plays. 12 carries for Westbrook, and 4 for Buckhalter. Lito Sheppard on the bench as Warner is picking us apart to finish the game. Wasting timeouts. The last 10 years has vindicated me, as he still can't win the big one, and it's more clear than ever that McNabb carried his fat ass, and not the other way around. TO shows up at a Sixers-Raptors game, flaps his arms like wings, and gets cheered loudly. If McNabb showed up he would get booed by 40% of the crowd. Try to figure that one out. |
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Post by nephillymike on Jun 11, 2019 19:31:01 GMT -5
Umm no, that's an anecdotal article written by an ESPN hack whos purpose in life seems to be writing racially charged essays, as a quick google search of 'Jason Reid' would tell you. Moon wasn't a stellar college QB, and once he proved himself he got his chance. Doesn't Moon's own book say the same thing? |
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Post by hankey on Jun 12, 2019 13:50:31 GMT -5
Doesn't Moon's own book say the same thing? Does that make it any less anecdotal? The victim card is pushed to the limit - hell, even today people bitch about lack of 'diversity' at QB (such as Jason Reid), when clearly if you can play any position nobody cares about your skin color, and it's been that way for some time. The facts don't support your comment - besides what I pointed out about the history of black QB's, that very draft there was only one QB taken in the 1st round - Doug Williams at #17, drafted by Joe Gibbs, an old school coach if there ever was one. He was the only QB drafted in the first 49 picks! I have no doubt Moon was told to switch positions by several coaches, and I'm sure he heard several nasty comments from fans. But even he admits he was bitter over not being invited for private workouts pre-draft, and clearly that bitterness still exists inside him, ready to come out whenever a hack sportswriter decides to unleash it. |
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Post by dreagon on Jun 12, 2019 14:06:16 GMT -5
I think they need something slightly below the Hall of Fame. (maybe the Hall of Pretty Damn Good) for guys who just fall short like McNabb or Romo.
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Post by JeeQ on Jun 12, 2019 14:52:44 GMT -5
I'll just say this
I find it funny that people are receptive to Tony Romo in the Hall Of Fame but when they hear McNabb say it it's absurd.
If we're going to keep the bar high, then keep it there. But if we start making exceptions for players like Romo because he's "likable" and played for "America's team" then you have to lower the bar for everyone else.
Going by the current criteria for Hall of Fame QBs neither are worthy of recognition.
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Post by nephillymike on Jun 12, 2019 21:33:59 GMT -5
Doesn't Moon's own book say the same thing? Does that make it any less anecdotal? The victim card is pushed to the limit - hell, even today people bitch about lack of 'diversity' at QB (such as Jason Reid), when clearly if you can play any position nobody cares about your skin color, and it's been that way for some time. The facts don't support your comment - besides what I pointed out about the history of black QB's, that very draft there was only one QB taken in the 1st round - Doug Williams at #17, drafted by Joe Gibbs, an old school coach if there ever was one. He was the only QB drafted in the first 49 picks! I have no doubt Moon was told to switch positions by several coaches, and I'm sure he heard several nasty comments from fans. But even he admits he was bitter over not being invited for private workouts pre-draft, and clearly that bitterness still exists inside him, ready to come out whenever a hack sportswriter decides to unleash it. --------------------- Im thinking that there's a bunch of these top NCAA top QBs who got workouts as QBs their Sr year, no? www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/1977-passing.htmlwww.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/1977-passing.htmlA few of them may have even got drafted. 🤔 |
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Post by eyrie on Jun 13, 2019 13:26:37 GMT -5
I think they need something slightly below the Hall of Fame. (maybe the Hall of Pretty Damn Good) for guys who just fall short like McNabb or Romo. I think that where an individual team's Hall of Fame comes in. Both Romo and McNabb deserve recognition as being amongst the best for their team, but not amongst the best in the entire NFL. McNabb is in ours, and also has the honour of being one of the nine jersey numbers we've retired. Oddly, Cunningham's #12 have never been used since he left without being officially retired. |
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Post by gadgetrick on Jun 13, 2019 14:46:55 GMT -5
I think they need something slightly below the Hall of Fame. (maybe the Hall of Pretty Damn Good) for guys who just fall short like McNabb or Romo. I think that where an individual team's Hall of Fame comes in. Both Romo and McNabb deserve recognition as being amongst the best for their team, but not amongst the best in the entire NFL. McNabb is in ours, and also has the honour of being one of the nine jersey numbers we've retired. Oddly, Cunningham's #12 have never been used since he left without being officially retired. Well-said. And I hadn't realized they never retired Cunningham's number. Strange... |
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Post by hankey on Jun 13, 2019 18:01:58 GMT -5
Apparently Jeff Lurie has said he won't allow #12 to be used without RC's permission, and RC has taken that as an honor on par with it being retired. A good move by Lurie, but why the hell just not retire it? I doubt any fans would object. A fan theory is that since Cunningham went to the Cowboys for a year, he's 'tainted.' Pretty far-fetched, and I can't imagine it's remotely true.
The 4 "big guns" of the '08 Phillies team haven't had their numbers used yet either since they either left town or retired - #6, #11, #26, and #35. I would imagine all 4 have a good shot at their numbers retired - Hamels might be the odd one out.
Interesting fact - Richie Ashburn's #1 was retired in 1979, long after he retired. #1 was used the year after he left however, and several times until then. Womp womp.
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