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Post by nephillymike on Aug 27, 2023 18:11:36 GMT -5
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Post by robbieratchet on Aug 27, 2023 18:20:06 GMT -5
Neat, the 234,845th article on calling people who understand basic statistics "extremists," under the guise of being "bipartisan," focusing on the fantasies of a boomer-neocon who still thinks it's 1995.
Good stuff.
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Post by md717 on Aug 27, 2023 20:15:27 GMT -5
To me, this sentence was the lynchpin of the article:
"Meanwhile, Democrats have done plenty to silence the voices of people who come to the table in good faith with differing, yet legitimate, opinions." (Emphasis mine.)
Who is it that gets to decide what a legitimate differing opinion is? Who decides whether or not those coming to the table are doing so in "good faith" or not?
This article reeks with moral equivalency. "I know you are, but what am I?" Schoolyard immature bullshit. According to this, the Hilary Clinton child predator pizza shop ring, Alex Jones' "hoax" allegations about Sandy Hook, and doubts about the legitimacy of the 2020 election are all on the same level. Really?!
Humans like to tie things up with neat little bows that explain the complexities of the reality of actual life. Right wingers spew trolling conspiracy theories while lefties like to cancel them. And that's "two sides of the same misshapen coin." OK. Whatever blows your skirt up and gets you a good grade on your internship, Addison. I have a couple of questions for you, though, Mr. Graham.
How many times was Joseph Smith jailed, and for what? The irony of your piece is off the charts.
Can you think of any left-wing "trolling" in recent times? Please elaborate on any examples that come to mind.
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 27, 2023 21:34:45 GMT -5
I take it to mean an admission that legitimate opinions were silenced by the left.
Nothing we didn’t know.
I see your point about who determines legitimacy.
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Post by md717 on Aug 27, 2023 22:13:48 GMT -5
You're a much better-natured and generally kinder fellow than I, but we all knew that already didn't we?  You read that sentence and gave them the benefit of the doubt. I read it and considered its inverse. What is implied by the inverse is that it would be totally OK for the left to "silence the voices of people who come to the table in bad faith with differing and illegitimate opinions." It's a gentle way for the author of this piece to call the left what they are: CENSORS. There is no excuse for silencing anyone's voices - ever. Good faith/bad faith, legitimate/illegitimate, true/false, lying/sincere - whatever. Speech is speech. |
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 28, 2023 4:52:14 GMT -5
You're a much better-natured and generally kinder fellow than I, but we all knew that already didn't we? You read that sentence and gave them the benefit of the doubt. I read it and considered its inverse. What is implied by the inverse is that it would be totally OK for the left to "silence the voices of people who come to the table in bad faith with differing and illegitimate opinions." It's a gentle way for the author of this piece to call the left what they are: CENSORS. There is no excuse for silencing anyone's voices - ever. Good faith/bad faith, legitimate/illegitimate, true/false, lying/sincere - whatever. Speech is speech. What do you do about the trolling side of the coin with your everything goes version? The cancel culture is solved but what about the other side? |
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Post by One on Aug 28, 2023 6:31:01 GMT -5
What happened to common sense?
Eventually, most all lies are exposed as is most truth. Why is it that people aren't capable of thinking for themselves, or that they're not viewed as capable?
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Post by md717 on Aug 28, 2023 9:41:46 GMT -5
There are legitimate limits on speech. Alex Jones is paying a heavy price for what he said about Sandy Hook, for example. But those limits should be imposed by an adversarial legal system or broad public opinion, not the whims of a few tech titans based on what they deem worthy of public consumption.
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Post by robbieratchet on Aug 28, 2023 12:35:56 GMT -5
There are legitimate limits on speech. Alex Jones is paying a heavy price for what he said about Sandy Hook, for example. But those limits should be imposed by an adversarial legal system or broad public opinion, not the whims of a few tech titans based on what they deem worthy of public consumption. Alex Jones is paying a heavy price for being a right-winger and saying things he isn't supposed to, let's just get that perfectly clear. Without a doubt, I 100% believe the government would and has engaged in false-flag operations in order to sway public opinion, especially regarding gun control and "right-wing extremism." Far more often, we see shooters who were pretty clearly insane and violent to everyone who knew them, including authorities, be left alone until they do something. Was Sandy Hook a case of either? We'll never know, The System made sure of that after silencing Jones. One thing I do know, is that if I lost a 6 year old child in a school shooting, I wouldn't be in a laughing mood for quite some time. Start watching at around 0:50. And the narrator of the video doesn't think it amounts to much, I just can't find the original video anywhere. You decide. |
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 29, 2023 21:05:20 GMT -5
What happened to common sense? Eventually, most all lies are exposed as is most truth. Why is it that people aren't capable of thinking for themselves, or that they're not viewed as capable? Not really One. You need to have exposure to opinions from both sides to get the benefit to be able to determine truth. 90% in this country do not seek that. |
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 29, 2023 21:16:54 GMT -5
There are legitimate limits on speech. Alex Jones is paying a heavy price for what he said about Sandy Hook, for example. But those limits should be imposed by an adversarial legal system or broad public opinion, not the whims of a few tech titans based on what they deem worthy of public consumption. Alex Jones is paying a heavy price for being a right-winger and saying things he isn't supposed to, let's just get that perfectly clear. Without a doubt, I 100% believe the government would and has engaged in false-flag operations in order to sway public opinion, especially regarding gun control and "right-wing extremism." Far more often, we see shooters who were pretty clearly insane and violent to everyone who knew them, including authorities, be left alone until they do something. Was Sandy Hook a case of either? We'll never know, The System made sure of that after silencing Jones. One thing I do know, is that if I lost a 6 year old child in a school shooting, I wouldn't be in a laughing mood for quite some time. Start watching at around 0:50. And the narrator of the video doesn't think it amounts to much, I just can't find the original video anywhere. You decide. I see the smile, but it could be just nervous energy. Im guessing it wouldn’t be hard to get other footage from this guy afterwards at the funeral or whatever. |
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Post by One on Aug 30, 2023 6:57:17 GMT -5
What happened to common sense? Eventually, most all lies are exposed as is most truth. Why is it that people aren't capable of thinking for themselves, or that they're not viewed as capable? Not really One. You need to have exposure to opinions from both sides to get the benefit to be able to determine truth. 90% in this country do not seek that. Unless I misunderstand your point, there's a difference between truth and opinion. In this era both truth and opinion are being censored - because we don't have the capacity for critical thought? No, because we're no longer encouraged or taught to think, which accounts for a large percentage of those who don't (I'm not sure it's as high as 90%). It starts in the schools and is enforced with canceling. We're being taught to follow and we're punished for not doing it - IQ isn't a factor, one way or the other. Tyranny grows when we're told what we can know and what we can't. It's evident wherever we look: climate change, politics/elections, racial relations, health/medicine. During the Cold War we witnessed the differences between societies that allowed free speech and those that controlled information. Free societies for the most part were highly successful while the others were failing. Free people were mostly happy and content while those held down by their government were hungry, miserable and anxious for change. That was a time when immigration here was controlled and made us even stronger and more prosperous. I'm starting to ramble, but you get my point. What we're living through is neither a coincidence or beneficial to anyone except those in power. You speak of elections, check this out, not because I'm a Trump fan, but because it's evidence of what happens when information and critical thought are controlled. I'd be interested in your take on the video. I wonder if it's different than mine. |
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Post by One on Aug 30, 2023 7:05:11 GMT -5
Alex Jones is paying a heavy price for being a right-winger and saying things he isn't supposed to, let's just get that perfectly clear. Without a doubt, I 100% believe the government would and has engaged in false-flag operations in order to sway public opinion, especially regarding gun control and "right-wing extremism." Far more often, we see shooters who were pretty clearly insane and violent to everyone who knew them, including authorities, be left alone until they do something. Was Sandy Hook a case of either? We'll never know, The System made sure of that after silencing Jones. One thing I do know, is that if I lost a 6 year old child in a school shooting, I wouldn't be in a laughing mood for quite some time. Start watching at around 0:50. And the narrator of the video doesn't think it amounts to much, I just can't find the original video anywhere. You decide. I see the smile, but it could be just nervous energy. Im guessing it wouldn’t be hard to get other footage from this guy afterwards at the funeral or whatever. I'm with robbie on this. If your child was killed I'd find it extremely strange to see you smiling and forcing composure just before speaking of it. There was no pain in his face or composure. Not proof of anything, but enough to make you say "huh?" |
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 30, 2023 18:51:01 GMT -5
So what’s the point?
His kid didn’t die and it didnt happen?
Wouldn’t someone know this parent and wouldn’t it be easy to check?
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Post by One on Aug 30, 2023 20:38:23 GMT -5
So what’s the point? His kid didn’t die and it didnt happen? Wouldn’t someone know this parent and wouldn’t it be easy to check? Not to sound too far gone, but it seems the point these days isn't having answers as much as it is asking the questions. Not blindly accepting everything we're told, making it all either pass the bullshit test or leave it open in the question file. This video may be a conspiracy theory, I don't know, but there's still a lot of people who think Michael Brown raised his hands in surrender, that Donald Trump worked with Russia to fix the election and that Ivermectin is just for horse worms. My point is only that it's weird, not that it's bogus, and I question weird. We all should. |
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 30, 2023 21:08:48 GMT -5
Not really One. You need to have exposure to opinions from both sides to get the benefit to be able to determine truth. 90% in this country do not seek that. Unless I misunderstand your point, there's a difference between truth and opinion. In this era both truth and opinion are being censored - because we don't have the capacity for critical thought? No, because we're no longer encouraged or taught to think, which accounts for a large percentage of those who don't (I'm not sure it's as high as 90%). It starts in the schools and is enforced with canceling. We're being taught to follow and we're punished for not doing it - IQ isn't a factor, one way or the other. Tyranny grows when we're told what we can know and what we can't. It's evident wherever we look: climate change, politics/elections, racial relations, health/medicine. During the Cold War we witnessed the differences between societies that allowed free speech and those that controlled information. Free societies for the most part were highly successful while the others were failing. Free people were mostly happy and content while those held down by their government were hungry, miserable and anxious for change. That was a time when immigration here was controlled and made us even stronger and more prosperous. I'm starting to ramble, but you get my point. What we're living through is neither a coincidence or beneficial to anyone except those in power. You speak of elections, check this out, not because I'm a Trump fan, but because it's evidence of what happens when information and critical thought are controlled. I'd be interested in your take on the video. I wonder if it's different than mine. I watched the video. Very well done. Thanks for sharing. I don't think if they included video of the Repubs saying the 2020 election was fixed would matter as they are probably saying both parties do it, which is their point. If you have time any day soon, if you could, from an objective standpoint, pick the two or three things they are saying Trump did about the 2020 election that he is guilty of a crime in GA. Then with those two or three things, show how Hillary, Gore or Kerry did the same things. That would be interesting to see. |
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Post by robbieratchet on Aug 31, 2023 17:14:14 GMT -5
So what’s the point? His kid didn’t die and it didnt happen? Wouldn’t someone know this parent and wouldn’t it be easy to check? Who knows? Obviously, hoax or not, there would be a funeral, and she would be officially dead. The guy did move 3,000 miles away not long after, supposedly because of harassment about this video. I'm not sure if that hurts or helps his cause, to be honest. It would help if the communists didn't use every single crisis as a way to advance their agenda (as we speak, Idalia). It would help if we weren't blatantly lied to on a daily basis (as One mentioned Russiagate, Ivermectin, etc.). Several gun control measures were passed after Sandy Hook, and you'll simply never convince me that Dems in Washington were doing anything other than clinking glasses right after it happened. Maybe if they didn't benefit so greatly from each tragedy, we'd be more likely to believe what they tell us. On a side note, I do remember some really shady shit happening right around the time of that shooting. Something about the amount of houses in the area being sold at the same time, the school being demolished and another one rebuilt at the same site, etc. Again, we'll never know the truth 100%, it's just that all of this is enough to go "huh?" |
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