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Post by nephillymike on Aug 6, 2023 12:00:32 GMT -5
I think I understand what you're saying.
So what do we do?
How should we handle the upcoming trials?
Personally, I'm of the "put everyone on trial mindset".
But as regards to Trumps latest indictments, what do you suggest.
You know me. From the first time we spoke about him many years ago, it was always about his character. However, bad character does not a criminal make. I'm like, let's try to keep an open mind and let's see what everyone says under oath and who says it. Let's turn the heat up on Sleepy Joe's $ 13 Million windfall.
Let's have at it !
Fuckem all !!
Again, if Trump was able to deliver and on point, fact based speech about what the left has tried to do to him and recount what they did, add in the Twitter BS, the Biden Bribes, but speak in calm no BS rhetoric, he could do big damage to the left. But he needs to do it before he is convicted, if it is going that way.
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Post by robbieratchet on Aug 6, 2023 15:08:12 GMT -5
Serious question: What is dangerous? What is the bigger picture? I have a good idea but would rather you spell it out if you don’t mind taking the time. It's dangerous to have your DOJ put your political opponents in prison, and to have your "intelligence agencies" blatantly making up crimes, targeting people on one side, and working with mega-corporations to censor information. It's dangerous to destroy confidence in elections, in a country where 1/3 of the population is armed, and not too happy with their current rulers. The bigger picture is The System is so completely corrupt, and run by the most incompetent boobs on the planet, and they simply can't help themselves. As a result, tens of millions of people are becoming more and more extreme, as they (we) see just how hopelessly corrupt the whole thing is, and we're eventually going to vote for someone to do something about it. We thought that guy was Trump, and we were wrong. More will follow, until we get someone who really turns the thing upside down. It's just a matter of when and who. |
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 6, 2023 15:18:16 GMT -5
Serious question: What is dangerous? What is the bigger picture? I have a good idea but would rather you spell it out if you don’t mind taking the time. It's dangerous to have your DOJ put your political opponents in prison, and to have your "intelligence agencies" blatantly making up crimes, targeting people on one side, and working with mega-corporations to censor information. It's dangerous to destroy confidence in elections, in a country where 1/3 of the population is armed, and not too happy with their current rulers. The bigger picture is The System is so completely corrupt, and run by the most incompetent boobs on the planet, and they simply can't help themselves. As a result, tens of millions of people are becoming more and more extreme, as they (we) see just how hopelessly corrupt the whole thing is, and we're eventually going to vote for someone to do something about it. We thought that guy was Trump, and we were wrong. More will follow, until we get someone who really turns the thing upside down. It's just a matter of when and who. Great concise summary. I agree. Very dangerous indeed. A real good summary of how it all ties together that sometimes is tough to see if one gets bogged down in the muck. Ill add to this that if someone in power realized this, they could contribute to the destruction in confidence in the elections to expedite the revolution of the masses. In this way, Trump is perhaps more powerful than he’s ever been. |
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Post by md717 on Aug 6, 2023 18:04:10 GMT -5
You don't have to go back very far. Democrats engaged in behavior that would be considered criminal under the standards that the Democrats are trying to establish under the most recent Trump indictments. I think it's unwise to criminalize bad political behavior in either direction. Do you think Republicans will forget how this administrations DOJ behaved? Do you think they'll begin indicting people if/when they regain control? Is that really a cycle of retribution that we want to unleash? www.politico.com/story/2017/01/no-trump-electoral-college-challenge-233294I'll refresh my memory on the election of 1800 when I have some more time. |
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 6, 2023 18:13:02 GMT -5
How is this the same MD?
I do see the danger of retaliation though.
Trump was lined up to do just that, and has just tweeted for all the world to see that he would retaliate if given the chance for anyone who crosses him.
Much like Lincoln did in Reconstruction, we need to get men in office to calm the waters.
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Post by md717 on Aug 6, 2023 18:26:53 GMT -5
How is this the same MD? I do see the danger of retaliation though. Trump was lined up to do just that, and has just tweeted for all the world to see that he would retaliate if given the chance for anyone who crosses him. Much like Lincoln did in Reconstruction, we need to get men in office to calm the waters. Nothing is ever completely "the same." The Democrats wanted to challenge electors to try to overturn the results of the 2016 election. They didn't have the votes to get it done. But their desire and intent were the same - to overturn the election results as officially counted, citing fraud, voter suppression, etc. etc. The link is just one article at the top of the Google results - there was LOTS of bad behavior from Democrats in the wake of the shock of the 2016 election, perhaps the biggest being the Russia hoax that cost Trump at least two years of his term. People say "why didn't Trump do thus-and-so when he had control of both houses of Congress? The answer is because many Republicans weren't sure if the Dem's accusations were true (and many R's believed they *were* true) so they held Trump at arm's length. Many, many Dems said that Trump's election was fraudulent, that he was illegitimate, James Clyburn didn't go to the inauguration, etc. and on and on and on. Was it bad behavior? Immature? Yes and yes. Was it criminal? Not then . . . but maybe in the future if we're not careful. |
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Post by One on Aug 6, 2023 18:41:21 GMT -5
I think I understand what you're saying. So what do we do? How should we handle the upcoming trials? Personally, I'm of the "put everyone on trial mindset". But as regards to Trumps latest indictments, what do you suggest. You know me. From the first time we spoke about him many years ago, it was always about his character. However, bad character does not a criminal make. I'm like, let's try to keep an open mind and let's see what everyone says under oath and who says it. Let's turn the heat up on Sleepy Joe's $ 13 Million windfall. Let's have at it ! Fuckem all !! Again, if Trump was able to deliver and on point, fact based speech about what the left has tried to do to him and recount what they did, add in the Twitter BS, the Biden Bribes, but speak in calm no BS rhetoric, he could do big damage to the left. But he needs to do it before he is convicted, if it is going that way. We do the same thing we did with our friend BW. It's like Chinese water torture: drip, drip, drip. At some point the people who don't see through the smoke will begin to have a touch of clarity. Followed by more. We can't get angry or disrespectful. We have to listen and remain humble because things are crazy enough that we could be wrong. Obviously I don't think so, but arrogance is what we're objecting to, what we're fighting against. Do what both the Democrats and Trump aren't doing. And pray the Republican Congress stays on course and produces enough indisputable evidence to sway enough soccer moms, blacks and students to change their votes. |
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 6, 2023 19:30:40 GMT -5
I think I understand what you're saying. So what do we do? How should we handle the upcoming trials? Personally, I'm of the "put everyone on trial mindset". But as regards to Trumps latest indictments, what do you suggest. You know me. From the first time we spoke about him many years ago, it was always about his character. However, bad character does not a criminal make. I'm like, let's try to keep an open mind and let's see what everyone says under oath and who says it. Let's turn the heat up on Sleepy Joe's $ 13 Million windfall. Let's have at it ! Fuckem all !! Again, if Trump was able to deliver and on point, fact based speech about what the left has tried to do to him and recount what they did, add in the Twitter BS, the Biden Bribes, but speak in calm no BS rhetoric, he could do big damage to the left. But he needs to do it before he is convicted, if it is going that way. We do the same thing we did with our friend BW. It's like Chinese water torture: drip, drip, drip. At some point the people who don't see through the smoke will begin to have a touch of clarity. Followed by more. We can't get angry or disrespectful. We have to listen and remain humble because things are crazy enough that we could be wrong. Obviously I don't think so, but arrogance is what we're objecting to, what we're fighting against. Do what both the Democrats and Trump aren't doing. And pray the Republican Congress stays on course and produces enough indisputable evidence to sway enough soccer moms, blacks and students to change their votes. Probably good advice. If Trump was a salesman in the political sense, it would be much easier. |
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 6, 2023 19:32:50 GMT -5
How is this the same MD? I do see the danger of retaliation though. Trump was lined up to do just that, and has just tweeted for all the world to see that he would retaliate if given the chance for anyone who crosses him. Much like Lincoln did in Reconstruction, we need to get men in office to calm the waters. Nothing is ever completely "the same." The Democrats wanted to challenge electors to try to overturn the results of the 2016 election. They didn't have the votes to get it done. But their desire and intent were the same - to overturn the election results as officially counted, citing fraud, voter suppression, etc. etc. The link is just one article at the top of the Google results - there was LOTS of bad behavior from Democrats in the wake of the shock of the 2016 election, perhaps the biggest being the Russia hoax that cost Trump at least two years of his term. People say "why didn't Trump do thus-and-so when he had control of both houses of Congress? The answer is because many Republicans weren't sure if the Dem's accusations were true (and many R's believed they *were* true) so they held Trump at arm's length. Many, many Dems said that Trump's election was fraudulent, that he was illegitimate, James Clyburn didn't go to the inauguration, etc. and on and on and on. Was it bad behavior? Immature? Yes and yes. Was it criminal? Not then . . . but maybe in the future if we're not careful. As the trial happens, ( they’re saying maybe after the election ) I guess we’ll see the similarities. |
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