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Post by nephillymike on Jul 29, 2023 7:24:59 GMT -5
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Post by md717 on Jul 29, 2023 11:38:26 GMT -5
I'm curious - if Trump and Biden are the nominees, what are you going to do? I'm going to get good and liquored up and go vote for Trump. (I can walk to my poling place, just FYI.) Or maybe I'll move to Belize. Haven't decided yet. A lot of damage has been done to the country already and Biden's only been in office for 30 months or so. We have 18 months to go . . . or 66 months if he wins in November next year. I can't even imagine what this country will look like in 2028 if Biden is re-elected. Assuming he lives that long, that is.
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Post by One on Jul 30, 2023 6:14:11 GMT -5
Yep, I'd take my bucket, or a gallon baggie, to the polls with me and wouldn't wait a second voting for Trump. IMO, the key for him is who he has as a VP, because I don't think he'd last long. Despite the large amount of Trump haters, I just can't wrap my head around anyone voting for Biden. Although BW is a good example of the population that, in my mind, just insists on believing news outlets that continue to be exposed as partisan cheer leaders at best and often as outright liars.
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Post by nephillymike on Jul 30, 2023 7:08:16 GMT -5
I would likely do what I did last time and vote for the Candidate from the Libertarian party or I one of the lesser parties. Maybe No Labels makes it on the ballot
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Post by One on Jul 31, 2023 8:02:42 GMT -5
I would likely do what I did last time and vote for the Candidate from the Libertarian party or I one of the lesser parties. Maybe No Labels makes it on the ballot If I thought that would lead us to a more representative government and away from corruption I'd join you. The problem is it would probably benefit the left which, by all accounts, is more loyal to their party. I don't know of a reasonable way of tearing down the two party system, but wasting votes on sure losers isn't going to help anyone. Look what happened in 2020. You can't even remember who you voted for and look at what we got. I keep harping on it because it should be illegal, but I'm not allowed to vote in primary elections because I'm not registered with either of the two parties. Outlaw party affiliation. Disband all political parties. Eliminate money from the election process. Force people to vote for the person not the party and maybe more people would pay attention to what candidates say. |
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Post by One on Jul 31, 2023 8:29:26 GMT -5
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Post by robbieratchet on Aug 2, 2023 14:18:44 GMT -5
"Liberal patriot" is an oxymoron, but it's always funny to try to watch leftists try to sound reasonable and moderate.
It'll be very interesting to see the court case developments against Trump. I'm convinced the guy still doesn't really understand what he's up against. The communists won't stop until he's in prison. At least it should wake up a lot of people who still think it's 1995.
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 2, 2023 21:31:56 GMT -5
This Trump case will be interesting.
I think if they have enough people who saw or heard he admit he lost and then he went about all of the shit show, then he’s cooked. If they don’t have that, he has a chance, unless he was active behind the scenes in the January 6th “incident”, then he’s probably cooked.
It will be interesting to see what they got.
It’s a shame all of the Republicans candidates don’t have the balls to criticize him or worse yet, the Republican voters can’t handle the criticism.
Heat Miser’s not stupid. He’ll play the Penelope Pitstop Woe is Me routine and have the sympathy of Trumpers, further solidifying the base and securing another Democratic presidency.
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Post by One on Aug 3, 2023 7:46:34 GMT -5
It’s a shame all of the Republicans candidates don’t have the balls to criticize him or worse yet, the Republican voters can’t handle the criticism. The thing that concerns me about a POTUS candidate like this is his unfamiliarity with Washington and the swamp, something that was a major contributor to Trump's demise. He's smart, successful and articulate. The fact that he's also a minority may be a boost, but I have no idea what kind of advisors he'd surround himself with - another Trump failure. He doesn't lack confidence.
Vivek Ramaswamy Wants a Second American Revolution
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Post by robbieratchet on Aug 3, 2023 12:47:27 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what they got. They have a communist judge, and will have a communist jury. He's going to jail. They won't stop until this happens. The fact that you still don't seem to understand this is mind-boggling. If you could get over your irrational hatred of the man, you might be able to see the bigger picture and how dangerous this is. |
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 3, 2023 19:49:05 GMT -5
Serious question:
What is dangerous?
What is the bigger picture?
I have a good idea but would rather you spell it out if you don’t mind taking the time.
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Post by md717 on Aug 3, 2023 20:48:13 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what they got. They have a communist judge, and will have a communist jury. He's going to jail. They won't stop until this happens. The fact that you still don't seem to understand this is mind-boggling. If you could get over your irrational hatred of the man, you might be able to see the bigger picture and how dangerous this is. Wait, I'm confused. You think Mike has an irrational hatred of Donald Trump? And yet you're going to sit home and not vote for him if the Democrat nominee is Joe Biden? (By extension, it would seem any Democrat nominee would be insufficiently threatening to get you over your own "irrational hatred of the man" in order to go vote for him.) Trump is not going to jail. If the DC courts had the sole authority to do that, then I would agree with you. But it will be appealed to more rational and impartial jurisdictions. So it's hard to take you seriously when you say shit like that. |
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Post by robbieratchet on Aug 3, 2023 21:56:15 GMT -5
Wait, I'm confused. You think Mike has an irrational hatred of Donald Trump? And yet you're going to sit home and not vote for him if the Democrat nominee is Joe Biden? (By extension, it would seem any Democrat nominee would be insufficiently threatening to get you over your own "irrational hatred of the man" in order to go vote for him.) Trump is not going to jail. If the DC courts had the sole authority to do that, then I would agree with you. But it will be appealed to more rational and impartial jurisdictions. So it's hard to take you seriously when you say shit like that. -I've explained in perfect and rational detail exactly why he's never getting my vote again, and I don't see the need to repeat myself. It's pretty clear reading the history of these threads that Mike has a frothy-mouthed hatred of the guy. And they're not running Joe again. He's declined faster than Ryan Howard. He probably can't dress himself anymore. -There you go again, arguing from your time machine, where you still refuse to leave the 1980's. The entire System has spent 6 years setting this up. They're going to make an example out of him. Stop pretending this is all going to work out. They're putting him in jail. It's happening. Even he still doesn't realize what he's up against. This isn't the country you grew up in, and it's going to take him being paraded around in shackles for you to realize that - or will you still not? We'll see. |
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Post by One on Aug 4, 2023 6:37:52 GMT -5
Wait, I'm confused. You think Mike has an irrational hatred of Donald Trump? And yet you're going to sit home and not vote for him if the Democrat nominee is Joe Biden? (By extension, it would seem any Democrat nominee would be insufficiently threatening to get you over your own "irrational hatred of the man" in order to go vote for him.) Trump is not going to jail. If the DC courts had the sole authority to do that, then I would agree with you. But it will be appealed to more rational and impartial jurisdictions. So it's hard to take you seriously when you say shit like that. -I've explained in perfect and rational detail exactly why he's never getting my vote again, and I don't see the need to repeat myself. It's pretty clear reading the history of these threads that Mike has a frothy-mouthed hatred of the guy. And they're not running Joe again. He's declined faster than Ryan Howard. He probably can't dress himself anymore. -There you go again, arguing from your time machine, where you still refuse to leave the 1980's. The entire System has spent 6 years setting this up. They're going to make an example out of him. Stop pretending this is all going to work out. They're putting him in jail. It's happening. Even he still doesn't realize what he's up against. This isn't the country you grew up in, and it's going to take him being paraded around in shackles for you to realize that - or will you still not? We'll see. Probably more than half the country haven't left the '80's, or for that matter, the 1700's. The reason we don't hear more from them is because they don't stray far from the mainstream news. The communists, as you describe them, are relying on that being their strength until their control of the education system creates a new population of hypnotized robots. But there seems to be a problem developing in the plan, which is why they're so intent on bringing down the man who is exposing them, more every day because of their efforts to destroy him. They may end up parading him in shackles, I doubt it, but it could happen. Either way, young people are starting to wake up. Suburban housewives are beginning to see what's happening to their children. Young fathers are fighting back against boys playing games better than the girls they're competing against. At some point all of this will reach boiling point, especially if/when the Bidens walk free and Trump is shackled. |
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Post by robbieratchet on Aug 4, 2023 15:56:35 GMT -5
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Post by One on Aug 4, 2023 17:19:11 GMT -5
In case you missed it, the point is that more than the usual suspects (MAGA, a smattering of conservatives, you, me) are becoming aware of what is really going on. Never underestimate the enemy, you may be right, but there are signs that the general public knows the Democrats are lying, cheating and using governmental powers to destroy a political opponent. It may turn out that the harder they try, the deeper their grave becomes. |
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 4, 2023 19:21:25 GMT -5
In case you missed it, the point is that more than the usual suspects (MAGA, a smattering of conservatives, you, me) are becoming aware of what is really going on. Never underestimate the enemy, you may be right, but there are signs that the general public knows the Democrats are lying, cheating and using governmental powers to destroy a political opponent. It may turn out that the harder they try, the deeper their grave becomes. I think you are right One. The problem is, we need a non Trump candidate to seize the moment. I would like each of you to answer this question. If enough “in the know” people with access to Trump during the months after the election testify that they heard him admit he lost and despite that, he continued on with all the stolen election stuff that lead to January 6th incident, what should be his punishment? Jail time, yes or no. Not what will he get, but what should he get? |
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 4, 2023 19:25:44 GMT -5
Robbie,
No question I don’t like Trump the man, but he had some good policies.
I think frothing at the mouth is a little harsh as it seems I’m closer to voting for him than you are.
I’d ask you to reply to my previous question when you have time.
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Post by md717 on Aug 4, 2023 19:48:32 GMT -5
If enough “in the know” people with access to Trump during the months after the election testify that they heard him admit he lost and despite that, he continued on with all the stolen election stuff that lead to January 6th incident, what should be his punishment? Jail time, yes or no. Not what will he get, but what should he get? First of all, it's a hypothesis contrary to fact. He clearly believes that he won the election, so much so that he can't let it go when that would be the most politically savvy thing to do. Anyone who has seen him interviewed in the last few months can see that he still believes it - his interview with Bret Baer and Sean Hannity come to mind. But alright, we'll accept the premise. Perhaps someone or numerous people heard him say "I lost." He did leave the white house, which was an admission in itself, right? But the defense to that could be the difference between the practical and the theoretical. Practically speaking - Biden got sworn in and is acting (unfortunately) chief executive. But that doesn't stop Trump from believing that it was "won" fraudulently. But even if he believed in his heart that he lost in both senses (impossible to prove) - it's not a crime to lie. If it were, every politician in that rotten town would be headed for three squares and a cot. |
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Post by One on Aug 4, 2023 20:53:03 GMT -5
In case you missed it, the point is that more than the usual suspects (MAGA, a smattering of conservatives, you, me) are becoming aware of what is really going on. Never underestimate the enemy, you may be right, but there are signs that the general public knows the Democrats are lying, cheating and using governmental powers to destroy a political opponent. It may turn out that the harder they try, the deeper their grave becomes. I think you are right One. The problem is, we need a non Trump candidate to seize the moment. I would like each of you to answer this question. If enough “in the know” people with access to Trump during the months after the election testify that they heard him admit he lost and despite that, he continued on with all the stolen election stuff that lead to January 6th incident, what should be his punishment? Jail time, yes or no. Not what will he get, but what should he get? you should read. The Democrats may have overplayed their hand with these latest charges. Now Trump either gets to present evidence not previously reviewed by the courts about the election plus evidence hidden by the J6 Committee. The only thing that worries me is that the Dems must have anticipated this. What's up their sleeve(s)? I agree Trump still believes the election was rigged. It was, and there's reams of evidence to prove it. The real question is if there was fraud, a.k.a. illegal activities which can be proven. Then, we should take into consideration the list of Democrats who continue to claim their loss was fraudulently taken from them. Clinton and Abrams come to mind. The point isn't to convict Trump as much as it is to keep the headlines screaming his guilt during the election cycle. Stack the deck again, just as they did in 2016 and 2020. |
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 5, 2023 6:09:03 GMT -5
If enough “in the know” people with access to Trump during the months after the election testify that they heard him admit he lost and despite that, he continued on with all the stolen election stuff that lead to January 6th incident, what should be his punishment? Jail time, yes or no. Not what will he get, but what should he get? First of all, it's a hypothesis contrary to fact. He clearly believes that he won the election, so much so that he can't let it go when that would be the most politically savvy thing to do. Anyone who has seen him interviewed in the last few months can see that he still believes it - his interview with Bret Baer and Sean Hannity come to mind. But alright, we'll accept the premise. Perhaps someone or numerous people heard him say "I lost." He did leave the white house, which was an admission in itself, right? But the defense to that could be the difference between the practical and the theoretical. Practically speaking - Biden got sworn in and is acting (unfortunately) chief executive. But that doesn't stop Trump from believing that it was "won" fraudulently. But even if he believed in his heart that he lost in both senses (impossible to prove) - it's not a crime to lie. If it were, every politician in that rotten town would be headed for three squares and a cot. Wow, this is shocking to me. My follow up is this. What thing or things need to be proven that is sufficient to warrant jail time? Lying is one thing. Lying for the purpose of trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power is another. So that I’m not misunderstood, I have no problem if crimes yet to be proven land Biden in jail, even H Clinton for that matter. Id turn up the heat on the Biden bribery investigation. Can we at least start by finding out how the hell a guy who normally makes less than half a mill raked in an extra $13 million in two years? Truly clean up the Swamp. investigate Publicize Prosecute |
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 5, 2023 6:26:58 GMT -5
One, I read that article about government plants.
Did Epps testify under oath at the J6 hearings?
If so, What did he say?
Why did they not use his name in the interview you linked?
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Post by One on Aug 5, 2023 11:21:41 GMT -5
First of all, it's a hypothesis contrary to fact. He clearly believes that he won the election, so much so that he can't let it go when that would be the most politically savvy thing to do. Anyone who has seen him interviewed in the last few months can see that he still believes it - his interview with Bret Baer and Sean Hannity come to mind. But alright, we'll accept the premise. Perhaps someone or numerous people heard him say "I lost." He did leave the white house, which was an admission in itself, right? But the defense to that could be the difference between the practical and the theoretical. Practically speaking - Biden got sworn in and is acting (unfortunately) chief executive. But that doesn't stop Trump from believing that it was "won" fraudulently. But even if he believed in his heart that he lost in both senses (impossible to prove) - it's not a crime to lie. If it were, every politician in that rotten town would be headed for three squares and a cot. Wow, this is shocking to me. My follow up is this. What thing or things need to be proven that is sufficient to warrant jail time? Lying is one thing. Lying for the purpose of trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power is another. So that I’m not misunderstood, I have no problem if crimes yet to be proven land Biden in jail, even H Clinton for that matter. Id turn up the heat on the Biden bribery investigation. Can we at least start by finding out how the hell a guy who normally makes less than half a mill raked in an extra $13 million in two years? Truly clean up the Swamp. investigate Publicize Prosecute I'm confused by your shock. Have you seen proof that he lied to prevent the peaceful transfer of power? I haven't. I realize the media and the Democrats have pronounced him guilty, kind of like they did with Russiagate and the quid pro quo nonsense. Please, let's not compare this to Biden corruption which has a long list of uncontested evidence. Watching and listening to Trump "instigating" the J6 "insurrection", he clearly calls for peaceful protest. Challenging the results isn't new, neither is calling for tabulation confirmation, alternate electors, or protests. To my knowledge, no one has ever been criminally charged for doing those things. He's an ass and chooses his words very badly, but we all know that. Biden sniffs little girl's hair and kisses their neck and the Democrats tell us he's grandfatherly. To see the inconsistency, the hypocrisy, is easy. To believe the accusations is either partisan ignorance or unbridled enmity. Please don't take offense, this is something the Democrats have become expert at, also something that is becoming increasingly transparent. If they produce new evidence such as emails, texts, or recordings of Trump admitting he knows the election was on the up-and-up but would do his best to instigate rebellion, then we should have this discussion. Until then we should all keep everything the Democrats do in context with everything they have done previously and continuously. “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” |
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Post by One on Aug 5, 2023 11:33:13 GMT -5
One, I read that article about government plants. Did Epps testify under oath at the J6 hearings? If so, What did he say? Why did they not use his name in the interview you linked? As I think we talked about, I didn't watch or follow the J6 inquisition, but I don't think Epps testified in public but did provide a statement in private - I believe. It's not just about government plants, Sund stated that he thought the whole event was a set-up which is a "theory" presented by others fairly frequently. Epps is suing Fox (I think) for defamation. I'm guessing the cop wants to be careful not to incur exorbitant legal fees. |
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 5, 2023 12:28:39 GMT -5
Wow, this is shocking to me. My follow up is this. What thing or things need to be proven that is sufficient to warrant jail time? Lying is one thing. Lying for the purpose of trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power is another. So that I’m not misunderstood, I have no problem if crimes yet to be proven land Biden in jail, even H Clinton for that matter. Id turn up the heat on the Biden bribery investigation. Can we at least start by finding out how the hell a guy who normally makes less than half a mill raked in an extra $13 million in two years? Truly clean up the Swamp. investigate Publicize Prosecute I'm confused by your shock. Have you seen proof that he lied to prevent the peaceful transfer of power? I haven't. I realize the media and the Democrats have pronounced him guilty, kind of like they did with Russiagate and the quid pro quo nonsense. Please, let's not compare this to Biden corruption which has a long list of uncontested evidence. Watching and listening to Trump "instigating" the J6 "insurrection", he clearly calls for peaceful protest. Challenging the results isn't new, neither is calling for tabulation confirmation, alternate electors, or protests. To my knowledge, no one has ever been criminally charged for doing those things. He's an ass and chooses his words very badly, but we all know that. Biden sniffs little girl's hair and kisses their neck and the Democrats tell us he's grandfatherly. To see the inconsistency, the hypocrisy, is easy. To believe the accusations is either partisan ignorance or unbridled enmity. Please don't take offense, this is something the Democrats have become expert at, also something that is becoming increasingly transparent. If they produce new evidence such as emails, texts, or recordings of Trump admitting he knows the election was on the up-and-up but would do his best to instigate rebellion, then we should have this discussion. Until then we should all keep everything the Democrats do in context with everything they have done previously and continuously. “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”I’m shocked because the question I posed was if it were proven, would jail time be warranted. MD said it wouldn’t. Thus the shock. And the follow up question. The “ but Biden did this and the media didn’t report it” point doesn’t work on me. You are forgetting. I am not like BW and others on the Left and the media who protect Biden and the media. I want them BOTH gone and if they did what people are saying, then jail time is warranted for both. Fuck em! Clean up the swamp. Keep in mind, that if Trump is to be found guilty, it will require testimony from people that were on the inside of his admin. I’m sure the Trumpsters will then deem those people as agents of the Deep state when while with the a Trump administration they were thought of in high regard. Keep in mind IF is the operative word there. IF Trump is proven guilty, and IF Biden is proven guilty. Challenging the results is fine and warranted. If he knew he lost, and followed thru with the Bannon plan as planned, that is peaceful transfer interference. Jail time. Tough to prove, but easier in the audience he faces. Need to wait and see who says what. Also would be interested if Trumps lawyers can dig some dirt on scum from the other side. The defense calls Sleepy Joe to the stand!, The defense calls Ray Epps to the stand. If he’s going down, take the entire swamp with him! Expose the clusterfuck to the entire nation. Guns a blazing! |
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Post by md717 on Aug 5, 2023 17:36:18 GMT -5
The answer to your question is simple: In order to warrant jail time (for Donald J. Trump or anyone else) what needs to be proven is that an individual is guilty of violating a federal, state, or local statute for which jail time is proscribed as the punishment. Many presidential elections have been disputed in the country's history, going back to the election of 1800. Falsehoods were certainly advanced by combatants in those many struggles. Yet no one has ever been prosecuted criminally for so doing - until now. So if you can quote me the federal statute that Donald J. Trump could potentially be proven to have violated, then you have your answer. In short, these indictments are ludicrous on their face. Mark Levin does a pretty good job of explaining why in an interview on Fox and Friends Thursday morning last week: www.foxnews.com/video/6332363499112(It's about 13 minutes long) And PS - if WHAT were proven? That is my question back to you. |
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Post by One on Aug 5, 2023 18:56:15 GMT -5
I'm confused by your shock. Have you seen proof that he lied to prevent the peaceful transfer of power? I haven't. I realize the media and the Democrats have pronounced him guilty, kind of like they did with Russiagate and the quid pro quo nonsense. Please, let's not compare this to Biden corruption which has a long list of uncontested evidence. Watching and listening to Trump "instigating" the J6 "insurrection", he clearly calls for peaceful protest. Challenging the results isn't new, neither is calling for tabulation confirmation, alternate electors, or protests. To my knowledge, no one has ever been criminally charged for doing those things. He's an ass and chooses his words very badly, but we all know that. Biden sniffs little girl's hair and kisses their neck and the Democrats tell us he's grandfatherly. To see the inconsistency, the hypocrisy, is easy. To believe the accusations is either partisan ignorance or unbridled enmity. Please don't take offense, this is something the Democrats have become expert at, also something that is becoming increasingly transparent. If they produce new evidence such as emails, texts, or recordings of Trump admitting he knows the election was on the up-and-up but would do his best to instigate rebellion, then we should have this discussion. Until then we should all keep everything the Democrats do in context with everything they have done previously and continuously. “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”I’m shocked because the question I posed was if it were proven, would jail time be warranted. MD said it wouldn’t. Thus the shock. And the follow up question. I think you know that you and I are in very similar places regarding Trump. But by asking the question, even though it's hypothetical, it appears you've taken the bait; fallen in the trap. By asking the question you're validating the premise presented by serial liars. I have to assume that people who have lied repeatedly about another person are lying again when they raise more allegations against that person unless there is indisputable proof of guilt - especially considering the timing. For me, that's common sense. It's a standard we'd apply to most any person or, in this case, group of people if it weren't so politically charged. It confuses me that any honest person would think otherwise - that's not directed at you but at the masses who instinctively assign guilt because they don't like him. The liars have successfully contaminated the foundational legal premise of this country with what they are doing and I believe we should make them pay a high price for it. |
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 5, 2023 19:27:38 GMT -5
I am not assuming guilt at all.
I said IF, then
If IF isn’t proven, then “then” never happens.
You seem to be pretty sure IF didn't happen.
I say, Let’s see who says what and then make that call.
If it is verified by people in his administration who were there when it went down that he knew he lost, then everything that happened afterwards was an attempt to overthrow an election.
Do past trumped up accusations make me doubt these latest,? A little.
But when so many of his own jumped ship, especially in an environment where he is ahead by a landslide, I have my doubts.
Like I said, take a seat and bring your own bible. Let’s see what everyone has to say.
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Post by nephillymike on Aug 5, 2023 19:41:03 GMT -5
The answer to your question is simple: In order to warrant jail time (for Donald J. Trump or anyone else) what needs to be proven is that an individual is guilty of violating a federal, state, or local statute for which jail time is proscribed as the punishment. Many presidential elections have been disputed in the country's history, going back to the election of 1800. Falsehoods were certainly advanced by combatants in those many struggles. Yet no one has ever been prosecuted criminally for so doing - until now. So if you can quote me the federal statute that Donald J. Trump could potentially be proven to have violated, then you have your answer. In short, these indictments are ludicrous on their face. Mark Levin does a pretty good job of explaining why in an interview on Fox and Friends Thursday morning last week: www.foxnews.com/video/6332363499112(It's about 13 minutes long) And PS - if WHAT were proven? That is my question back to you. If it were proven that he knew he lost based on sworn accounts by people in the know, and then he proceeded to fraudulently try to reverse the outcome, that is the “what”. Use your history and let me know how far those other disputes have gone. Mark Levin. I used to be a big fan of his . Read three of his books. For someone like me who doesn’t have much time to read, three is a lot. He’s on weeknights on local talk radio and I’ve tuned in more than a few times. Trump has never done any wrong in his eyes Trumps kids don’t even show that blind loyalty. It was a game I played for a while on the way home from work. Let’s see if THIS is the night he will criticize Trump. Now he may have at some point, but in the fifty or so half hour commutes that I listened to him, he never did. He’s the far right equivalent of the old CNN lemmings. I know you and most far rights will disagree but he has fallen IMO. I don’t want to listen to a Trump cheer leader. I want someone balanced enough to look at both sides and criticize. ill check out the link soon and let you know my thoughts. |
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Post by One on Aug 6, 2023 6:03:13 GMT -5
It's not a matter of guilt or innocence but of relentless accusations - up to this point, unfounded accusations. Accusations intended to divide us and demonize those who disagree with them. Accusations against anyone who reveals their crimes, especially one with 70+ million followers. Accusations that divert attention from their crimes and their attempts to dismantle a way of governance founded on freedom.
When we say "if", they have been successful. We've stepped into the rabbit hole even though we've done it before and come away injured. We keep doing it because they tell us to.
Not me. I encourage investigations, but I seem to remember a time when the investigations preceded the accusations. It's no different than a banner headline in a newspaper saying nephillymike is a murderer and two years later issuing a back page retraction. "If" nephillymike is a murderer, then nephillymike is a murderer.
The economy improved in Trump's term. He didn't bow to foreign leaders and returned the country to a position of respect in the world. ISIS was defeated. He confronted China and made progress in balancing trade. He worked to return manufacturing to the country. He forced NATO nations to pay their share. He ushered in a process for real peace in the Mideast. He got us out of wars. You know the list, maybe better than I do, but he was/is an ass. He belittles people. He's rude and boorish. He surrounded himself with people who were untrustworthy. He made himself an easy target so that we could "evolve" to a point where we'd say "if he's what the liars say he is."
That's the road they are pointing us towards. When we go there they've won.
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