Never Forget This Siege on our first amendment rights

Do you mean it's a load of crap as evidence that can be used to prosecute, or as evidence of corruption and malfeasance?  The FBI has confirmed it's authenticity.  The same organization that slow walked an investigation and gave preferential treatment said it's real. The damning evidence found on the computer has been confirmed by several other reliable sources.  There are emails, there've been texts, there are firsthand testimonies.  BW, if all of these things were concerning Trump you'd be singing a completely different tune.  

I'm happy you returned.  You're a good guy, but claiming impartiality isn't being honest.  You may be right that the laptop can't be used as evidence in a court of law, that doesn't mean it's a load of crap.  What you mean is that the mammoth amount of evidence piling up against Biden and his family is inconvenient to what you believe.  I remember having heated debates with my father about Richard Nixon and Watergate.  He refused to accept that the man was guilty despite all of the evidence mounting against him.  In the end he was embarrassed that he allowed himself to be deceived.  He listened to but one side and was misled.

It's hard to understand because there's so much evidence showing it's not a load of crap.  Evidence that isn't receiving the attention that Russiagate received, or that Mar A Lago received.  My point isn't that Trump isn't guilty of anything, it's that he is treated differently than Biden, Clinton, Obama, etc.  Why is that so hard to understand?  Why is it so hard to see?

Outcast RFK Jr had an interesting take, I think. These aren't going to endear them to the people that need to vote him in the primary. He must think that someone in the left electorate cares.

www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/07/05/sen_john_kennedy_washington_managerial_elite.html

Sadly, my friend, you seem to be turning into a cynic. Skepticism is valuable, but cynicism is self-destructive. You have been convinced that everyone, everywhere is corrupt in politics. Let me ask you this, who benefits most from creating that perception? Perhaps the ones who want to deflect the conversation away from their own malfeasance and redirect it toward the opposition? A guy named Stuart Stevens wrote a book from about his time in the upper echelons of GOP politics called 'It was all a lie. How the republican party became Donald Trump." In a nutshell, it illustrates the way the GOP, with the help of Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch, created an 'information' machine to counter the main stream media. Have you heard about the latest defamation suit against Fox News? A man who voted for Trump twice, went to the Jan 6th 'rally,' and even marched to the Capitol with them. But when the violence started he realized it was wrong and he tried to talk sense to the crowd. He was caught on video, and was targeted by Tucker, claiming he was a sleeper agent for the FBI. He was run out of Arizona when he started receiving threats, having to sell his home and close his business, moving into a mobile home in Utah. He is still in hiding, afraid that Trump supporters still blame him for something that was a LIE. This is not how civilized people should live, there is a growing list of crimes perpetrated in this country that fall under the umbrella of political violence. Most of them are skewed to right wing extremists, its out there and apparent if you look for it, so don't ask me to do that legwork. I will attach an article that spells out the details of Mr. Epps suit against Fox for not just perpetrating those lies, but as the initial instigator of them.

www.npr.org/2023/07/12/1187318029/fox-news-sued-ray-epps-defamation-jan-6

Look, I know you are a good guy, and I think you are on the verge of seeing things you did not want to not so long ago. You recently stated that the GOP is not conservative, and you hit that nail right on the head. I have never registered with any party, I have been an independent voter my entire voting life. Right now, you cannot deny that the GOP has become the party of the Proud Boys, Oathkeppers, and QAnon, they are all card carrying Republicans. Do you really want to align with Neo-fascist militias or conspiracy theorists? There is a disease destroying the GOP, and it is self inflicted. The party needs to moderate from its current positions, because frankly, they are not appealing to a majority of Americans. As our society becomes more moderate and accepting of once taboo things, like homosexuality, the GOP is getting far less tolerant. Look at Kansas, a very red state. When the GOP tried to get an anti-abortion amendment added to their state constitution, the voters rejected it 60% to 40%. There are no angels in politics, but if politicians, on either side, ignore the real will of the people, they will eventually crash and burn. Just something to think about my friend.

www.foxnews.com/politics/five-most-significant-allegations-against-the-bidens-fbi-fd1023-form

A few cautions about this article.

First an FBI form 1023 is a recording of information received from an unverified source. That is fact. However, this source is said to have been very reliable in past work for the FBI.

Second, some sources have said that the prosecutor was on the chopping block anyway because he was doing a horrible job investigating and prosecuting corruption. He was investigating the company that Biden was involved with, but there could be other reasons he was fired.

Thirdly, Biden is on tape bragging of withholding a $1 billion guaranteed loan to Ukraine (google it, but look hard with filters) because that prosecutor was not fired as was “wished”. Then all of a sudden, he was fired and the guaranteed loan went thru. This doesn’t look good, but there is a chance that his version of bragging could be because the guy was corrupt but not because of the Biden connection. (I guess it depends on your faith in our President’s honesty).

Then there is the story change. The Big Guy knew nothing, then he knew of Hunters employment but didn’t know the details.

This all being said, wouldn't it make sense that the FBI and IRS fully investigate the large outlier of income reported on the Bidens’ tax returns? If these allegations are true, it is unprecedented.

My guess if not for a few House seats turning red last November, we would never hear about it. The agencies and major news outlets and the 51 FBI officials who signed the Russian disinformation letter were successful in hiding it until now. Why not call hose 51 experts in for a chat.

The difference now is, many Dems in power don’t want Biden and may not be as effective in protecting him. He may get an internal “ offer he can’t refuse”. Step aside, say you’re ill, and we won’t prosecute you. You can ride off in the sunset. Cross us and insist on running and we’ll stop the protection.

Back in the days of true journalism when the media and agencies weren’t bought, this would be big news front and center with a desire to know the truth.

Sadly, not today.

Trump’s a scum bag who I didn’t vote for in 2020 (some lady Jo somebody got my vote because it was easier that doing a write in for myself) and I hope he goes away tomorrow.

I’ll leave it to any who care to check the validity of Trump the grifter.

Now back to the question at hand..

What else you got regarding the Biden issues?

If I’m reading you correctly, you don’t care if these allegations are true about Biden because you perceive them not to be as bad as Trump and since the economy is doing better than expected, all is good. Move along, nothing to see here.

Am I misreading it?

Tell me how.

Not everyone is corrupt, but our elected officials are ideally supposed to be representing their constituents.  Following the 2016 elections there was a series of interviews of newly elected members of the House, both Democrats and Republicans as I recall.  Every one of them were stricken by the level of political management which was imposed on them.  In order to get committee assignments and financial support for reelection they had to do what they were told, vote as they were told to vote, and support or oppose what they were told to.  That series left me with a lasting impression of what government is like.  I'm not sure that's really corruption, but it's definitely not why voters elect someone.  The leaders in Congress are the people wielding power and the people who control what both houses do.

You mention a Republican information machine to counter the mainstream media.  If you're suggesting that the mainstream media can be considered unbiased we should have a separate conversation about it.  It's most definitely not and alternative sources of information are emphatically needed.  Actually, that's probably the reason you're suggesting Republicans are the party of the Proud Boys, Oathkeppers, and QAnon. In your words, really?  I think you're demonstrating the depth of division this country is experiencing.  I keep saying it because I think it's important: you and I don't know anything other than what we're told by strangers.  If we don't accept that what we're told is potentially false or misrepresented to satisfy an agenda we're vulnerable to manipulation at best.  That's not cynicism or paranoia, that's reality that lives in history.

I've read quite a bit about Ray Epps, from both sides.  It's strange that he was directing protesters to weaker security areas and encouraging people to storm the barriers, on video mind you, yet was never charged.  He was initially shown as an FBI most wanted but was dropped from the list while people who were invited into the Capitol were charged with misdemeanors were locked up and remain in a gulag environment.  I'm not sure where the lie is, but it's pretty clear there's been some damning misinformation, not unlike the J6 committee hiding video evidence that countered their agenda.  I'm not saying Epps was guilty of anything, I'm saying the conflicting information is very strange and anyone who states an absolute position on any side is not being objective.


Neo-fascist militias or conspiracy theorists?  Whoa. I'm surprised you said that, BW, your blinders are fully visible.  Should we look closely a BLM and attribute their self-admitted communist roots to all Democrats?  I'd welcome a conversation on BLM if you want.  It's a joke, but mostly true, that all of the conspiracy theories attributed to MAGA/Republicans eventually had to drop "theories" because they were proven to be only conspiracies.  We can also delve deeper into that if you'd like.  There's a growing list of disillusioned reporters, mostly formerly working for mainstream news sources, who have defected and relocated themselves on places lie Substack, people like Bari Weis, and Matt Taibbi.  It's illuminating to read what they have to say on a wide variety of topics.

I realize everything I believe may be ... wrong?  I read what one side tells me and read what the other side says about the same subject.  Then I try to compare the facts or evidence that each provides in their accounting and try to use logic to decide who to think of it all.  COVID taught me quite a bit about that.  Sometimes its exhausting and I resort to putting my head in the sand.  I escape to the environment , the sound of birds, wind in the trees, insects buzzing my ears.  Peace.  None of it matters.  Then a headline startles me and it all starts over again.  The world is going insane and I have to be aware and vigilant.  Not what I wanted from retirement.  

Good God man, if I see any real proof that what you allege happened, then we can talk. There are accusations, but not a solid piece of evidence to support this influence peddling idea. How about the Trump International Hotel? Have you looked at the dollars spent by foreign dignitaries and Republicans whenever they were in town to see Trump in the WH? The Saudis spent six figures on one visit, and the hotel raked in millions during his term. Then, once he was out? He had to sell it because no one wanted to pay tribute to him anymore. But the Bidens...