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Jun 19, 2023 23:36:04 GMT -5
Post by md717 on Jun 19, 2023 23:36:04 GMT -5
I woulda continued this in the main forum, but I was worried that Nazi Scotsman (a contradiction in terms, I know) Aquila would move it here anyway.
So I'll just say THANK GOD John Fetterman is on the scene. Did you see that shit? Where one of two US Senators representing our state was appearing with one of two politicians only slightly less brain dead than he is? (AKA Joe Biden - the other is Diane Feinstein.) The man cannot speak. Without regard to his inability to express a coherent thought, is it too much to ask that he dress like I might to go to a sales meeting where I really didn't care that much about the outcome? A sweatshirt and shorts? How ridiculously disrespectful. On a personal level, it's really sad. This man is really ailing. On a public level, it's embarrassing and insulting. Who the fuck voted for this vegetable?
Speaking of embarrassing and insulting - did you see Biden groping Eva Longoria? She had to grab his wrists and take his hands off of her. EWWWW with a capital E and many capital W's to follow!! I asked Mrs. MD what she would do to me if I behaved like that in front of hundreds of people on hand "live" and many thousands seeing it by video. I didn't really have to ask, to be honest. Let's just say that your most horrific slasher film would be tame by comparison.
What the hell planet are we living on these days?!
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Jun 20, 2023 12:20:32 GMT -5
Post by robbieratchet on Jun 20, 2023 12:20:32 GMT -5
Almost 3 million people voted for him. And we're told that 81 million voted for the vegetable in the White House. And don't you dare suggest otherwise!
(Seriously though, the stroke victim who dresses like he's going for a coffee run to 711 actually did legit win. That's how bad your state is)
We deserve whatever we get, on a local, state, and national level. TPTB won't dare let President Eggplant run again, which is of course why Hunter Biden is cutting a deal with the Feds. To your average dumbass voter, it looks like justice being served - and all of the Biden family's corruption/bribes/schemes get buried, and The System can run a nominee capable of speaking in complete sentences.
I'm not too concerned about that whore Eva Longoria - frankly, I hope she gets a real taste of what she campaigned for (I'll leave out the details). And why the surprise? Biden is on video molesting multiple children, and of course he used to fuck his 12-year old daughter in the shower, according to her diary. (the 2 who discovered her diary have pled guilty and will serve time in jail of course)
2 weeks until July 4th, where we celebrate our freedom!
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Jun 21, 2023 21:59:00 GMT -5
Post by md717 on Jun 21, 2023 21:59:00 GMT -5
Almost 3 million people voted for him. And we're told that 81 million voted for the vegetable in the White House. And don't you dare suggest otherwise! (Seriously though, the stroke victim who dresses like he's going for a coffee run to 711 actually did legit win. That's how bad your state is) We deserve whatever we get, on a local, state, and national level. TPTB won't dare let President Eggplant run again, which is of course why Hunter Biden is cutting a deal with the Feds. To your average dumbass voter, it looks like justice being served - and all of the Biden family's corruption/bribes/schemes get buried, and The System can run a nominee capable of speaking in complete sentences. I'm not too concerned about that whore Eva Longoria - frankly, I hope she gets a real taste of what she campaigned for (I'll leave out the details). And why the surprise? Biden is on video molesting multiple children, and of course he used to fuck his 12-year old daughter in the shower, according to her diary. (the 2 who discovered her diary have pled guilty and will serve time in jail of course) 2 weeks until July 4th, where we celebrate our freedom! I wish I could counter your cynicism and pessimism, but I really can't. It's very depressing and demoralizing. It's very hard to maintain my naturally sunny disposition (quiet, you there in the peanut gallery!) in light of the onslaught of current events. I'm sure that Eva Longoria is not pure as the wind-driven snow, in fact I feel like I have some repressed knowledge of her transgressions buried away deep in my subconscious mind. But she's a pretty girl and most of us who were born with testicles tend to dismiss bad behavior by pretty girls. The mayor of my town is a pretty girl, and a Democrat - much more aesthetically appealing than the hairy old biker dude who preceded her. Similar policies, yet strangely I find myself much less annoyed by hers than his. Hmmm. Troubling, perhaps, but true. Anyway, without regard to what Ms. Longoria has done/said in the past to promote the advancements of cads like Joe Biden, she doesn't deserve to be groped. And my comments were more directed to his behavior than to her deserving of same. Funny thing is - since I posted the original in this thread, I saw Jill (excuse me, DOCTOR Biden) perform the exact same move - grabbing his wrists and removing his hands from her rib cage! I thought that was F'ing hysterical. Gotta laugh, otherwise . . .
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Jun 23, 2023 20:33:47 GMT -5
Post by nephillymike on Jun 23, 2023 20:33:47 GMT -5
As the Hunter Biden-Big Guy LLC's business dealings hit the fan, you will see that the Dems will at some point jump at the opportunity to rid themselves of Sleepy Joe. They'll have a medical opinion of dementia and it will cease any real prosecution as that would be inhumane. Deep state media will agree and next up will be the candidate of choice. It won't be RFK JR. That guys wanders off the script too often.
If only DeSantis or someone else would step up to the plate................. but I digress.
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Jun 26, 2023 10:37:34 GMT -5
Post by One on Jun 26, 2023 10:37:34 GMT -5
I doubt it, but it's possible. There have been several reports of malfeasance in several voting districts. Not to worry, he's only there for six years. Almost everything about the dementia ridden shell (shill?) occupying the White House is embarrassing, md717. But with Harris as an alternative, what legal choice do we have? And, referencing your Taibbi post, nephillymike, I'm not so sure DeSantis isn't stepping up. It's sad, and a potential death blow, that Trump is running and attacking DeSantis instead of joining and endorsing him. Even if he were to win, which is unlikely (reference GA refusing to fix voting machines until after '24 election), his term would likely be more obstructed that his first term. It's not that he doesn't mean well, but if the defense plays 10 men on the LOS you don't run the damn ball. (Obligatory football reference). Trump haters aren't likely to change and neither is election integrity. Trump's narcissism needs to take a back seat to those realities if America and the Constitution which makes it great are to survive the corrupt, the communists and the idiots.
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Jun 26, 2023 14:58:57 GMT -5
Post by robbieratchet on Jun 26, 2023 14:58:57 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of giving lifelong leftist hacks like Matt Taibbi praise for recognizing some level of reality. Same with the Bill Maher/Glenn Greenwald types. People like that are exactly the reason why we're at this stage in our republic. Taibbi and Maher are complicit in creating legions of batshit citizens. I don't care to feel much for when Taibbi is on the receiving end of what he's given for so long. But yeah, welcome to the club Matt.
DeSantis is running a good campaign, and he has to be considered the frontrunner (no, I don't give a shit what polls say. I care who the media and other candidates are attacking).
I want to hear him go after the DOJ, and promise to abolish the FBI. Change the paradigm of our discourse. I don't want investigations and firings. I want lifetime prison sentences or worse. My two cents.
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Jun 26, 2023 20:06:36 GMT -5
Post by nephillymike on Jun 26, 2023 20:06:36 GMT -5
I saw this in a recent Washington Examiner article:
- you can love Trump for what he did as President - think his policies were good for the country - appreciate his willingness to go to the mattresses for the country - believe he is the victim of a political witch hunt
And yet
- still not want to vote for him in 2024.
This may summarize how One feels, not positive.
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Jun 27, 2023 13:21:51 GMT -5
Post by robbieratchet on Jun 27, 2023 13:21:51 GMT -5
I saw this in a recent Washington Examiner article: - you can love Trump for what he did as President - think his policies were good for the country - appreciate his willingness to go to the mattresses for the country - believe he is the victim of a political witch hunt And yet - still not want to vote for him in 2024. This may summarize how One feels, not positive. I won't vote for him again. He handed the keys to the country over to that evil little midget, and let his political opponents crash an economy in an election year, over the flu. He allowed widespread rioting during all of this. Of course, during the lockdowns his enemies used the occasion to completely change our electoral process. Because of that, naturally, he "lost" to a demented child molester. He then chose to leave office, despite the election obviously being stolen, instead of demanding a full audit. And for good measure, he's STILL bragging about the Pfizer jab. Fuck him. He's best served as a martyr at this point. Let the System throw him in jail, and keep waking more people up.
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Jun 28, 2023 8:50:38 GMT -5
Post by One on Jun 28, 2023 8:50:38 GMT -5
Trump holds a critical place in our political environment: drawing enemy fire. Four years on the inside of the White House with access to so many of the dirty secrets of our corrupted system gives him the fire power to do exactly what they did and continue to do to him. Keep the spotlight on the malfeasance and tyranny of those who would tear down the republic while taking some heat off of the person in the White House - assuming that person is someone who is dedicated to enforcing the Constitution and saving our country. Continue to motivate and expand his MAGA base and keep pressure on the ostensible conservatives in D.C. to undo the damage that started with Wilson, came out with Roosevelt and Obama then escalated with Biden.
This can't be achieved from the White House. POTUS needs to be viewed as diplomatic, not combative. Trump is too easily portrayed as narcissistic and emotional. If we're to castrate or dismantle the administrative state, we need someone who will have the support of the soccer moms, millennials, and gen z. Someone who can routinely outmaneuver and outsmart the leftists, especially those in Congress. Someone capable of explaining the danger of open borders without being tagged as racist, the divisiveness of flying a rainbow flag on the White House, the danger of a woke military without being viewed as homophobic, and the folly of yielding to all forms of Chinese aggression while avoiding war. This isn't Trump.
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Jun 28, 2023 9:19:30 GMT -5
Post by One on Jun 28, 2023 9:19:30 GMT -5
Anyone not Progressive will draw fire from the left, but Trump holds a special place in their dark hearts and would be attacked relentlessly if he were to be elected again. The American people would be further divided and his administration would be effectively emasculated. Nothing of significance would be accomplished in his administration and the world would become a more dangerous place. The man needs to accept that he can do far more to save this country as a private citizen than he ever could as president.
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Jun 29, 2023 21:39:30 GMT -5
Post by md717 on Jun 29, 2023 21:39:30 GMT -5
I saw this in a recent Washington Examiner article: - you can love Trump for what he did as President - think his policies were good for the country - appreciate his willingness to go to the mattresses for the country - believe he is the victim of a political witch hunt And yet - still not want to vote for him in 2024. This may summarize how One feels, not positive. I won't vote for him again. He handed the keys to the country over to that evil little midget, and let his political opponents crash an economy in an election year, over the flu. He allowed widespread rioting during all of this. Of course, during the lockdowns his enemies used the occasion to completely change our electoral process. Because of that, naturally, he "lost" to a demented child molester. He then chose to leave office, despite the election obviously being stolen, instead of demanding a full audit. And for good measure, he's STILL bragging about the Pfizer jab. Fuck him. He's best served as a martyr at this point. Let the System throw him in jail, and keep waking more people up. Seriously? I agree with a lot of what you said, but if he's the Republican nominee and Biden (or worse, if such a thing could be imagined) is the Democrat nominee . . . you'll sit it out? I doubt it. I know I won't. I'll hold my nose harder than I did the first time and pull the damn lever, then go home and self-flagellate myself and take a long hot shower to rid myself of the stench. The first time around, I watched BBC nature shows and not a stitch of news for three weeks after Trump won Missouri or whatever state it was that put the final nail in Cruz' coffin. If you knew me, you'd know how big of a deal that was. I pulled the lever for Trump in 2016 for one reason and one reason only. I KNEW the kinds of Justices HRC would appoint, and Trump promised to appoint people who respect the Constitution. I didn't believe a word the man said, but I thought there was at least a chance he would honor that promise. And that paid off in spades. Donald Trump is a whole list of negative adjectives - but he's not Joe Biden. If it comes down to a choice between the two, you have a moral obligation to vote for Trump.
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Jun 29, 2023 21:50:01 GMT -5
Post by md717 on Jun 29, 2023 21:50:01 GMT -5
I saw this in a recent Washington Examiner article: - you can love Trump for what he did as President - think his policies were good for the country - appreciate his willingness to go to the mattresses for the country - believe he is the victim of a political witch hunt And yet - still not want to vote for him in 2024. This may summarize how One feels, not positive. That definitely describes where I am. There are several in the Republican primary I would prefer - DeSantis, Tim Scott, Ramaswamy, Haley - in roughly that order. I really don't want DJT to win the nomination. I mean I REALLY don't - maybe as much or more than I didn't want him to win it in 2016. So I'm torn over his legal battles. On the one hand I hope they take him out of contention. On the other hand, I don't want those tactics on the part of our opponents to be encouraged by a victory like that.
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Jun 30, 2023 12:24:46 GMT -5
Post by robbieratchet on Jun 30, 2023 12:24:46 GMT -5
Donald Trump is a whole list of negative adjectives - but he's not Joe Biden. If it comes down to a choice between the two, you have a moral obligation to vote for Trump. No, I don't. He had a moral obligation to follow through on his promises. He failed miserably. He had a moral obligation to "drain the swamp," as in put corrupt politicians in jail and hold people in Washington accountable for their crimes. He put them in his cabinet. He had a moral obligation to not let a cabal of undermining scum to crash the entire economy in an election year - at minimum, the dumbass could've realized it was all intended to get him out of office. He made Fauci the de facto president. He had a moral obligation to prevent terrorist mobs from burning down America's cities over a police incident in Minneapolis - while the country was locked down no less. He chose to tweet "law and order" while doing nothing. He had a moral obligation, knowing his own election was blatantly stolen, to demand a full audit. He left the WH, held a rally outside the Capitol, and to this day, hasn't lifted a finger for the political prisoners of J6. Ironically, the one thing I expected him to suck at, was the one positive aspect of his legacy - the SCOTUS. One could argue it's the one thing keeping the nation together, as the communists try to ramp up the rhetoric and get one/more of them killed. If it was 1995 he'd make a great president. It isn't - he did absolutely nothing to correct the course our nation is on, and I see no reason he'll start if elected. DeSantis has shown he will actually use his power to get things done. So either it's him, or I say fuck it, let the destruction happen as quick as possible. As I said, Trump's greatest value at this point is as a martyr. P.S. Biden ain't running. Part of the sweet deal the Feds are cutting with Hunter is just that. They can't risk running the same vegetable 4 years later. I'm not sold that it'll be Newsom either, but definitely not Biden.
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Jun 30, 2023 19:32:34 GMT -5
Post by nephillymike on Jun 30, 2023 19:32:34 GMT -5
This maybe the Stupid question of the day, but I’ll ask.
Trump gets credit for the conservative leaning Supreme Court.
Isn’t that just the luck of being in office when former justices die or retire and plugging in a guy or girl from your side?
May be missing something so pardon ignorance.
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Jun 30, 2023 20:19:38 GMT -5
Post by md717 on Jun 30, 2023 20:19:38 GMT -5
This maybe the Stupid question of the day, but I’ll ask. Trump gets credit for the conservative leaning Supreme Court. Isn’t that just the luck of being in office when former justices die or retire and plugging in a guy or girl from your side? May be missing something so pardon ignorance. It's not a stupid question. Starting today and going back to Reagan, here are the number of Justices that each president got to nominate (and were confirmed by the Senate): Biden 1 (so far - not included in average below) Trump 3 Obama 2 GWB 2 Clinton 2 GHWB 2 Reagan 3 (4 if you count him elevating Rehnquist to Chief Justice) Every past president on the list except for Trump had two terms, so I think that you would agree that the average is about 1 for every four years in office. Trump got 3 in four years, which is about 3x the average. That is "luck" as you say. Where he gets credit, in my view, is the TYPE of justices he nominated. And that he wouldn't back down and withdraw them even under withering attack. Republicans have a TERRIBLE record in this regard. Starting again with Reagan, true, he elevated Rehnquist and nominated Scalia, but he also nominated O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who were moderates at best. Ford (to go back a little farther) nominated John Paul Stevens, for crying out loud. Bush the Elder nominated Thomas, well done there, but he also nominated David Souter. GWB gave us Alito, again, well done there - but he also gave us Roberts who is wishy-washy and hardly a dependable Constitutionialist. GWB also tried to give us Harriet Miers, but withdrew her in a wave of Conservative outrage. It's too early to tell, I think, and Washington tends to have a moderating effect on Justices who care about their social standing in town and how they are treated by the press. (Roberts is a great example of this phenomenon.) But without Trump (or someone with enough backbone to nominate similar Justices to those that Trump nominated) we would never have gotten Dobbs, or the recent affirmative action, freedom of speech, and student loan decisions. So it's quite possible that Trump went 3 for 3, which would be a very rare trick for a Republican president.
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Jul 1, 2023 11:58:06 GMT -5
Post by nephillymike on Jul 1, 2023 11:58:06 GMT -5
Thanks MD makes sense. Thanks for the research.
As far as not backing down under withering attack, do Presidents pull back justices they recommended or does the Senate put the kibosh on them?
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Jul 1, 2023 12:16:23 GMT -5
Post by robbieratchet on Jul 1, 2023 12:16:23 GMT -5
Getting 3 picks in one term is a combination of luck, Mitch McConnell actually being useful for the first and second time in his life, and that demonic gargoyle RBG deciding to selfishly die on the bench, rather than be replaced by a Dem prior to 2016. She almost made it to Biden's term too. John Roberts has been an absolute disgrace. To MD's point about the effects of Washington, he switched his vote to uphold Obamacare, and tried to convince Anthony Kennedy to vote with him, to make 6-3 look better than 5-4. He rewrote the bill as a tax in order to justify it. The fucker wanted to be the next Sandra Day O'Connor, and Trump's one term nipped that in the bud. So kudos. I also give a lot of credit to Trump for not wavering during the Kavanaugh hearings. Anyone with half a brain knew they were going to dig up some old whore to lie about him committing sexual misconduct, as they did with Clarence Thomas. (Roberts, Alito, and Gorsuch live as monks, and they couldn't even try doing that with them). Any other Republican would've withdrew him. Even though Kavanaugh has been far from great, he's still better than most. FYI, among RBG's supposed last words were "My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed." Did that really happen? I wouldn't be surprised either way. That shows you exactly what you're dealing with when it comes to the courts. And credit to Trump for giving them all the finger and rushing her replacement through.
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Jul 2, 2023 1:45:09 GMT -5
Post by md717 on Jul 2, 2023 1:45:09 GMT -5
Thanks MD makes sense. Thanks for the research. As far as not backing down under withering attack, do Presidents pull back justices they recommended or does the Senate put the kibosh on them? Great question. The research I did was mostly to confirm that my memory was reliable - an iffy proposition these days. My actual memory of paying attention and seeing/remembering events in real time started in the late seventies with Carter - I was almost 10 when he took office in 1977, but I grew up in a very political family and that was the conversation at the dinner table and at larger family gatherings most of the time. I remember hearing Carter's "malaise" speech in real time, believe it or not. But my sort-of "second hand" memory goes back further than that, with a combination of remembering my family discussing Watergate and Nixon generally, Viet Nam, and my later reading/researching those times that roughly coincided with when I was born. Anyway, withdrawal - whether from the nominating President or from the nominee himself/herself - is rarer than I thought (see above re: memory.) I remembered correctly that Bush withdrew Harriet Miers. He also withdrew John Roberts (to replace O'Connor) a few months before he re-nominated him to Chief Justice to replace Rehnquist. That was in 2005, I think . . . but I don't remember why that sequence of events transpired the way that it did. Alito ended up replacing O'Connor a few months after Roberts was successfully confirmed as Chief Justice. But make no mistake, withdrawal was what the Democrats were after with their vicious attack on Kavanaugh. They either wanted this man to fold to protect his family, or the President to fold under the withering attacks revealing what a horrible human being he had nominated to take a seat on the highest court in the land. I have been watching politics for a long time, probably with the intensity with which you watch sports, and I have never seen anything like that in my life. The Bork and Thomas hearings, while brutal in their own rights, were tame by comparison. (By the way, if you ever encounter someone who perceives Biden to be a "nice guy" - just have them go back and watch his performance at the Thomas hearings. That will dissuade them from that notion if they have any decency whatsoever.) Biden is a bitter, evil, petty, corrupt, nasty ideologue . . . but I'm holding back. He is in an elite class of despicable human beings. But here's the real takeaway, from my perspective. My political opponents' duplicity, cynicism, and bloodlust for power knows no bounds. For the vast majority of my adult life, they sought to achieve political ends that they had no hope of achieving at the ballot box through the courts - and they felt as if they owned the Supreme Court. It was theirs - their domain in perpetuity. Abortion, affirmative action, gay marriage - you name it. The Supreme Court that they owned would proclaim victory on their behalf from on high. Anyone who questioned the authority of the Supreme Court was an anarchist. Unlawful. ETC ad nauseum. "Law of the Land" blah blah fucking blah. The very MILLISECOND that switched, and there was even a faint leaning toward my political perspective on the Court - they began to trash its legitimacy and go hysterical on any nominee that didn't see the political landscape the way that they did. To put it in a sports context, these people are homeys of the worst sort. Bastards, each and every one of them.
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Jul 2, 2023 7:12:19 GMT -5
Post by nephillymike on Jul 2, 2023 7:12:19 GMT -5
I do remember when the left used the court to aggressively push an agenda. Their tune has changed.
In this current environment, I wonder if you put all of the recent big cases to the voters, how it would turn out.
My guess:
- voters would not have overturned Roe unlike the SC - they would have ruled against affirmative action like the SC did. - they would have ruled against the executive branch having the power to erase student debt, however I think that they would win slightly on a law if passed to reduce debt - they would have ruled in favor of the rights of the business owner refusal of the LBGT cake
Am I missing any?
Here are some potential work arounds for avoidance of running afoul of the affirmative action ruling. Interested in your opinion on these:
1.Offer college acceptance to the top x% of every high school in a college’s feeder area. I think it is U of Texas that does this for the top 10% of high school seniors of all TX HS. While not AA, it will put top performing graduates a of mostly black HS on the same footing as their white counterparts even if test scores may reveal otherwise.
2.Targeting zip codes that have a higher minority population. While not based on race per se, if certain zip codes have 90% minorities, that would increase the likelihood of a minority being admitted.
3.They could target cities that have higher minority populations but that may not be as affective. For example, even though Philly racial breakdown is 39% black, 34% white, 15% Latino and 7% Asian, taking the highest performing students from here may not approximate its racial breakdown.
4.Giving kids with a rough start an upper hand. Approximately 70% of black kids, 60% of Latinos and 30% of whites come from one parent homes. If you opened up that group and gave opportunities within that group, you may have a greater minority representation. But it may be similar to the targeting of certain cities, also because of disadvantaged upbringing, they may not be as college ready as others
5.Giving preference to the families whose applicant are the first in their family to go to college.
I think 1 and 5 are the most doable while trying to semi keep standards at a high level.
Anyone?
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Jul 2, 2023 11:34:58 GMT -5
Post by robbieratchet on Jul 2, 2023 11:34:58 GMT -5
I do remember when the left used the court to aggressively push an agenda. Their tune has changed. ............................................................................................................................................................... 1.Offer college acceptance to the top x% of every high school in a college’s feeder area. I think it is U of Texas that does this for the top 10% of high school seniors of all TX HS. While not AA, it will put top performing graduates a of mostly black HS on the same footing as their white counterparts even if test scores may reveal otherwise. 2.Targeting zip codes that have a higher minority population. While not based on race per se, if certain zip codes have 90% minorities, that would increase the likelihood of a minority being admitted. 3.They could target cities that have higher minority populations but that may not be as affective. For example, even though Philly racial breakdown is 39% black, 34% white, 15% Latino and 7% Asian, taking the highest performing students from here may not approximate its racial breakdown. 4.Giving kids with a rough start an upper hand. Approximately 70% of black kids, 60% of Latinos and 30% of whites come from one parent homes. If you opened up that group and gave opportunities within that group, you may have a greater minority representation. But it may be similar to the targeting of certain cities, also because of disadvantaged upbringing, they may not be as college ready as others 5.Giving preference to the families whose applicant are the first in their family to go to college. I think 1 and 5 are the most doable while trying to semi keep standards at a high level. Anyone? Huh?!?!? Did you just not communicate that well? They are openly running on packing the courts, calling SCOTUS illegitimate, and trying to get justices whacked. Wtf are you talking about? It's the one thing in the country they don't fully control. I wrote an essay on AA in college, and almost word for word my solution was #1. If the top 10% of each HS got to choose out of their first 3-5-10 picks or whatever, whatever "diversity" quota is to be desired would happen, while having kids earn their spots through merit. It also wouldn't be detrimental to groups that tend to achieve well above their percentage of the population. However, that's if the goal is positive..... You seem like a good-natured and pretty smart guy, but like so many Americans, you simply have no clue of what you're up against. The "lowering of standards" is the entire point. Destruction is the goal. Having a population of poor, angry young idiots buried under debt, with useless degrees, who only know how to protest and vote is the entire goal of our public education system. Oh, and for good measure they leave college worshipping communism. That's the point. That's the goal. Every single institution in the country has become less efficient, less capable, and less reliable over time. As has our entire population. There's a reason for that. *FWIW, I got a 'D' on that essay. They don't like it when you question them.
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Jul 2, 2023 16:13:59 GMT -5
Post by nephillymike on Jul 2, 2023 16:13:59 GMT -5
I meant they can’t use the SC to govern like they used to because they don’t have the numbers.
Their tune changed as now they are complaining about it since they’re are out of the majority.
Not sure how you took it.
There’s a school of thought which you obviously subscribe to that it is all part of a grand master as opposed to a group who thinks government can solve all ills. I have not read enough on that theory yet, but I know there is information out there. About 15-20 years ago they said the same thing about the George Bush Republicans that there was this master plan they had with Cheney and Halliburton etc. That died down too. Didn’t have enough time to read up on that one either. Maybe there are TWO master plans out there to do to. Us all, the newDems and the old Repubs? I know One passed me a bunch of sites to check into that I haven’t done yet.
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Jul 2, 2023 21:23:20 GMT -5
Post by md717 on Jul 2, 2023 21:23:20 GMT -5
I do remember when the left used the court to aggressively push an agenda. Their tune has changed. In this current environment, I wonder if you put all of the recent big cases to the voters, how it would turn out. My guess: - voters would not have overturned Roe unlike the SC - they would have ruled against affirmative action like the SC did. - they would have ruled against the executive branch having the power to erase student debt, however I think that they would win slightly on a law if passed to reduce debt - they would have ruled in favor of the rights of the business owner refusal of the LBGT cake Am I missing any? Here are some potential work arounds for avoidance of running afoul of the affirmative action ruling. Interested in your opinion on these: 1.Offer college acceptance to the top x% of every high school in a college’s feeder area. I think it is U of Texas that does this for the top 10% of high school seniors of all TX HS. While not AA, it will put top performing graduates a of mostly black HS on the same footing as their white counterparts even if test scores may reveal otherwise. 2.Targeting zip codes that have a higher minority population. While not based on race per se, if certain zip codes have 90% minorities, that would increase the likelihood of a minority being admitted. 3.They could target cities that have higher minority populations but that may not be as affective. For example, even though Philly racial breakdown is 39% black, 34% white, 15% Latino and 7% Asian, taking the highest performing students from here may not approximate its racial breakdown. 4.Giving kids with a rough start an upper hand. Approximately 70% of black kids, 60% of Latinos and 30% of whites come from one parent homes. If you opened up that group and gave opportunities within that group, you may have a greater minority representation. But it may be similar to the targeting of certain cities, also because of disadvantaged upbringing, they may not be as college ready as others 5.Giving preference to the families whose applicant are the first in their family to go to college. I think 1 and 5 are the most doable while trying to semi keep standards at a high level. Anyone? So it seems like you're tracking with me, to some extent. It's so blatantly obvious that the leftists love the Court right up until they don't. Take Stare Decisis for example. The Court's precedent shall never be overturned!! How DARE YOU! So they accumulate "wins" they like and put them in the "never challenge" category, whilst anything they don't like was poorly decided and subject to challenge. It's a ratchet that only tightens when it's turned in one direction. It's nothing short of stunning how duplicitous they are, and how much they rely upon the ignorance of the average citizen to get away with it. Obergefell overturned a couple of millennia of natural and common law, for crying out loud. Don't lecture me about Stare Decisis, you leftist morons!! Incidentally, I came up with what I think is a great line about AOC, and I'm shocked that none of my favorite commentators have done likewise. I think she's a hot mess. (drum roll, please!) So with regard to your speculation about how the electorate feels about recent big decisions by the newly constituted and right-leaning SC - I'd be remiss if I didn't preface any comments on that with a hearty "who cares?" The whole point of the careful checks-and-balances system that the Founders put into place with the Constitution was to protect the minority factions from the will of the majority. The analogy I've always liked best is that we can't have a society of 20 wolves and 10 sheep - majority wins, the sheep are dinner. So we put together a ruling document that says, as the first article in the Bill of Rights, "Nobody gets to eat anybody, especially by simple majority vote. Congress shall make no law allowing the wolves to eat the sheep. Period." So then the Supreme Court's job is to step in and forbid Congress from passing a sheep-eating law, right? So it matters not that 2/3rds of the population vote to go ahead and eat the sheep - it's Constitutionally prohibited. So with that out of the way . . . stated more concisely that it matters not what the population thinks of the Supreme Court's rulings, and that is the very POINT of the Court . . . Roe was TERRIBLE law. So here again, who knows where the electorate would come down if it were put to a nationwide referendum. The idea that the Court, in 1973, would remove it from the democratic process entirely and enshrine abortion as a Constitutional right was so far outside the pale that even the Notorious RBG recognized the deleterious effects of the court having done so. This was the poster child for the idea that the Court ought not "legislate from the bench." So however you feel about the practice of abortion, this ruling needed to be overturned in the interest of restoring jurisprudence to its intended purpose. How it works out in policy going forward is a different question. I personally would outlaw abortion under any and all circumstances. I realize I'm in the minority in that view, but I'm fully prepared to defend it. I think most Americans are against late term abortions, and most Americans are horrified by the idea that you can set aside a living baby that survives an attempted abortion and let it die . . . as much as they are about the idea that you can kill a baby as it is in the process of traversing the "birth canal." I personally am very glad that Roe is gone from precedent of the Court - it's only too bad that it took 50 years for that stinking heap of shit to be thrown out. Justice Blackmun wrote the opinion for the majority, finding a right to abortion in the "eminence of the penumbra" of the fourth amendment, and launching a "right to privacy" that never existed in the Constitution. (If I kill someone in the privacy of my own home, is it still a crime?) 2 - I agree, most people want to move past race on any and all levels. 3 - I think a majority recognize the unfairness of this proposition. There was a dude who asked Pocahontas if he would get back the payments he made on his student loans, and she said "Of course not!" Given that those with student loans in the country are a minority of all citizens, I think this proposition would go down in flames if it were put out there in a referendum. 4 - I agree. I think most people recognize the effort by LGBTQ activists to make everyone bend the knee to their agenda. They purposefully seek out those who would object (that poor baker in Colorado comes to mind) to push their point. They could go to any number of other bakers (or web designers) in Colorado to bake them a cake with any message they wanted or put whatever message on a website - but they just can't tolerate the idea that someone, ANYONE disagrees with their lifestyle and thinks it's immoral. So they seek to have those people punished for their apostacy. It's not enough that their critics are silenced, their critics must be made to affirmatively affirm and praise their lifestyle choices. Again, most people recognize this for what it is. As for your prescriptions for how to get around the affirmative action issues that are presented by the Court's recent decision - no offense, but I don't care enough to comment. I think that our post-secondary education system is so hopelessly broken that it needs to be burned to the ground and rebuilt. (I'll leave the "hard" sciences out of that, to a point.) But the humanities and the "soft" sciences (social, political, economic, etc.) are hopelessly broken. It'd be like trying to "fix" your dining room chair after you burned it in your barbeque pit. I attended one semester of college at a religious institution in Chicago named after a famous 19th century evangelist. As I'm approaching the end of my sixth decade on this planet, I reflect on the successes that I've had - and they're numerous. None of them are related to my short-lived college career. My (and my wife's) net worth puts us in the top . . . I don't know, 10% or so, I imagine. She has a master's degree - but she's in medicine and that is required. I'm beginning to ramble. The point is . . . the connection between college education and financial success isn't as tight as some would have you believe.
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Post by nephillymike on Jul 2, 2023 22:14:59 GMT -5
Good stuff.
With regard to your who cares about Roe and the wolves -sheep analogy, couldn’t the populations in the states vote a Roe-ish abortion law into effect thus rendering the SC helpless? Didn’t Kansas do something like that? If enough states did that, it would lessen the impact and avoid the 2/3 amendment threshold.
As an adopted person and a Catholic, I am more against abortion than most. But if states voted for it, while I personally would be very much against it, if it was early term, and funds were provided to raise the spared kids the right way, I think it would be legal.
As far as college goes, definitely not the be all end all. The three wealthiest personal friends I have, two didn’t go to college and one did but played football and fucked off. However the four close friends growing up who are doing the worst didn’t go to college. Today’s a little more different, in that 20% of the 90% that go won’t have college paying jobs available to them. That differs from our day where there were college jobs for people with degrees. I am guessing that your lot in life would be much more limited if boss lady went to medical coding training instead of her nursing degrees, so it definitely mattered for her and you.
I hear you on post secondary education. After the SC ruling on AA, my alma mater sent out a letter basically saying they were going to continue to do what they were going to do. I told my teammates to save the letter in case a lawsuit was pending. Call it exhibit A. Fuckem..
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Jul 3, 2023 9:17:24 GMT -5
Post by One on Jul 3, 2023 9:17:24 GMT -5
Donald Trump is a whole list of negative adjectives - but he's not Joe Biden. If it comes down to a choice between the two, you have a moral obligation to vote for Trump. No, I don't. He had a moral obligation to follow through on his promises. He failed miserably. He had a moral obligation to "drain the swamp," as in put corrupt politicians in jail and hold people in Washington accountable for their crimes. He put them in his cabinet. He had a moral obligation to not let a cabal of undermining scum to crash the entire economy in an election year - at minimum, the dumbass could've realized it was all intended to get him out of office. He made Fauci the de facto president. He had a moral obligation to prevent terrorist mobs from burning down America's cities over a police incident in Minneapolis - while the country was locked down no less. He chose to tweet "law and order" while doing nothing. He had a moral obligation, knowing his own election was blatantly stolen, to demand a full audit. He left the WH, held a rally outside the Capitol, and to this day, hasn't lifted a finger for the political prisoners of J6. Ironically, the one thing I expected him to suck at, was the one positive aspect of his legacy - the SCOTUS. One could argue it's the one thing keeping the nation together, as the communists try to ramp up the rhetoric and get one/more of them killed. If it was 1995 he'd make a great president. It isn't - he did absolutely nothing to correct the course our nation is on, and I see no reason he'll start if elected. DeSantis has shown he will actually use his power to get things done. So either it's him, or I say fuck it, let the destruction happen as quick as possible. As I said, Trump's greatest value at this point is as a martyr. P.S. Biden ain't running. Part of the sweet deal the Feds are cutting with Hunter is just that. They can't risk running the same vegetable 4 years later. I'm not sold that it'll be Newsom either, but definitely not Biden. I'm almost with you. The frustration of watching our republic being systematically and intentionally dismantled and realizing that the election of 2016 was probably a pivotal point where a reversal could have begun, but didn't because Trump was/is a terrible diplomat, a devout narcissist and dangerously inexperienced in dealing with a bureaucratic adversary. But then I think of the most important thing he accomplished, and it wasn't appointing conservative justices. With all of his boorish honesty he turned a spotlight on the engine that's been driving the fundamental transformation of America. He may have been ineffective in combatting the administrative state, i.e. communist weed-seed strangling the constitution, but he brought it out into the daylight which created a highly energized army of citizens to counter it. I agree he's not the leader we need for that army, but it may be that his faults served as the bait to pull the enemy out of the shadows and encourage them to misjudge their attraction to the majority of Americans. For that the nation owes him our gratitude. I'm in line with md717 on Trump. He was my second least favorite candidate in both 2016 and 2020, but the alternatives in both elections were far worse. That we are given those choices has to be some indication of the state of our country. I don't think it's an accident and is likely the product of our education system, our media, and the corruption of our politicians and the system that feeds them. But not voting is essentially the same as voting against the republic. Because I'm neither a registered Republican or a registered Democrat I'm not allowed to participate in round one of the voting process, the primaries. I'm not sure how many states subscribe to that concept, but in this state it could ultimately be a deciding factor. I don't get to participate in selecting who I can vote for in the national election. I'm left with a choice between bad and worse, and refusal to participate is not rebellious, it's surrender.
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Jul 3, 2023 10:52:59 GMT -5
Post by robbieratchet on Jul 3, 2023 10:52:59 GMT -5
I'm almost with you. The frustration of watching our republic being systematically and intentionally dismantled and realizing that the election of 2016 was probably a pivotal point where a reversal could have begun, but didn't because Trump was/is a terrible diplomat, a devout narcissist and dangerously inexperienced in dealing with a bureaucratic adversary. But not voting is essentially the same as voting against the republic. Because I'm neither a registered Republican or a registered Democrat I'm not allowed to participate in round one of the voting process, the primaries. I'm not sure how many states subscribe to that concept, but in this state it could ultimately be a deciding factor. I don't get to participate in selecting who I can vote for in the national election. I'm left with a choice between bad and worse, and refusal to participate is not rebellious, it's surrender. He shined a light on the "swamp" by being his narcissistic, douchebag self. It was refreshing to watch, I'm not sure any other human being alive could've ran that campaign. But once in office, that's what doomed him. He surrounded himself with career swamp rats. I honestly think he truly believed he could win over his opposition and the media. Making good deals only works when both sides have a mutually beneficial goal, which he could never get around, because they didn't have the same goals. I'm grateful to him for being the first person to challenge The System, and waking many people up. But he had his chance, and he failed miserably. There are many out there who talk about a "nuclear option," where we all actually vote Democrat in national elections to accelerate our decline and eventual tidal wave of a response. I'm not there yet, but I'm out of patience. DeSantis is the only one in the current field with a proven track record of using his political power to actually get things done. Therefore, he is the only one who will get my vote. End of story. Our "republic" is dead, and has been for some time. I'm not even sure a Republican can win a national election again. 60 years of purposeful demographic change, combined with complete communist rule of our education system and pop culture, and we're just about at the tipping point where it will be impossible to elect a GOP president. And that's before you account for all the cheating, and unethical electoral practices. Your county sheriff and district attorney will be your best friend in the times to come. State AG's as well. Focus on those elections (or governor, if your state AG is appointed). Honest question - can you name your county sheriff? Your district attorney? Your attorney general? Are you aware of their politics, and what they choose to enforce/not enforce? If the answer is no (which I'm 95% sure it is), your priorities are off. Just a thought.
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Jul 3, 2023 12:05:40 GMT -5
Post by nephillymike on Jul 3, 2023 12:05:40 GMT -5
Robbie,
That’s probably the harshest criticism of Trump that I’ve heard from a conservative. Not wrong, but not a popular one. The next guy has gotta learn from his mistakes. It’s tough for a guy like Trump to do things for the common good. He had some great policies but his megalomaniacal self doomed it’s execution. They definitely had it out for him more than anyone else ever so he gets some understanding on that from me. However, the attacks on him made it about him more than it would have been. A more polished less flawed individual with an eye on the goal would have fared better. But when the goal is Trump front and center, it was probably a losing cause. Give the same goal to a more skilled personality and results would have been more successful. Not sure who that is.
I’ve been hearing doom and gloom that the Republic is dead from too many on the right. I’ll tell you like I tell my friends. No it’s not. The right has the SC, is winning in states left and right and Biden as the representative of that side is very beatable. The most dangerous weapon they have to keep us down is Trump. He will hijack the Republican Party during the no,I nations process and debates etc. it will be all about him, just like it always has been. That being the case, he would rather bring the party down rather than share the spotlight. Tough spot. If most conservatives had the same opinion a you, he wouldn’t win the nomination. The people who know him best politically have deserted him. They know what the Republican base refuse to open their eyes to. Problem is, a candidate needs to have the audacity to criticize the Republican zJesus which in turn gets the party’s delicate panties in a bunch and probably hurts said candidates chances.
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Jul 3, 2023 14:04:07 GMT -5
Post by md717 on Jul 3, 2023 14:04:07 GMT -5
Good stuff. With regard to your who cares about Roe and the wolves -sheep analogy, couldn’t the populations in the states vote a Roe-ish abortion law into effect thus rendering the SC helpless? Didn’t Kansas do something like that? If enough states did that, it would lessen the impact and avoid the 2/3 amendment threshold. Yes. Before Roe that is precisely the arrangement that existed, and it is the arrangement that exists now. States can pass laws pro and anti abortion as their citizens (legislatures) see fit. What Dobbs did was to say that the Court was wrong in creating a new universal nation-wide right to abortion that has no basis in the Constitution. The Court would have been just as wrong in banning abortion nationwide - that is for legislatures to do. Theoretically Congress could pass a nationwide law proscribing the conditions under which abortion would be permissible nationwide. I oppose that, as I believe the 10th amendment reserves for the states any power that is not explicitly given to the Federal Government - but that horse has left the barn a long time ago. Going back to Wickard v. Fillburn in the 40's when they started using the "Interstate Commerce" clause and in that case were allowed to regulate the growing of grain that never went to market because . . . well, you can read all about it here: www.quimbee.com/cases/wickard-v-filburnSo actually I think it might be fun to pass a national abortion restriction law because their only defense/argument against it will be the 10th Amendment. (Hypocrisy has never stopped them before - but it'd be fun to watch them make our argument and then apply it to a whole raft of other shit the Federal Government has no business getting involved in.) On the Federal level they could also try to tie it to Medicare funds. If you want Medicare funds, you have to restrict abortion to X weeks, or whatever. They're trying to do this right now with "Gender Affirming Care." I don't agree with this approach either, but again it would be fun to see the lefties stomp their feet and argue that wasn't the role of the Federal Government. A Constitutional Conservative like myself would say that it should be left to the states, even though my personal preference would be to see it banned everywhere. States like California, New York, etc. will always have liberal/permissive "rules" on abortion if it is left to the states, but . . . that's how the system is supposed to work.
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Post by robbieratchet on Jul 3, 2023 15:24:56 GMT -5
I’ve been hearing doom and gloom that the Republic is dead from too many on the right. I’ll tell you like I tell my friends. No it’s not. The right has the SC, is winning in states left and right and Biden as the representative of that side is very beatable. Our last president is currently being charged with several felonies, after spending 4 years in office being accused of being owned by Russia. Our current vegetable president's handlers are currently provoking WW3, while sending billions of our dollars to a puppet client, which in turn gets funneled back to the people who own Biden. If you aren't familiar with Blackrock and its practices, it would be a good idea to get familiar with them. Below is a video of Max Blumenthal describing in detail some of what is going on. For context, Blumenthal is a career leftist hack, and son of Sidney Blumenthal, one of the Clintons' bagmen. Even some leftists are outraged by Blackrock. Guess what people in the media are calling Blumenthal? Right, a "Putin shill." My one pause on DeSantis is he already backed down once after calling Russia/Ukraine a "territorial dispute." Somebody needs to get into Washington, and throw a ton of people in jail (Blackrock execs are all over Biden's cabinet and staff). Until then, the republic is dead.
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Jul 4, 2023 8:04:09 GMT -5
Post by One on Jul 4, 2023 8:04:09 GMT -5
Don't be too harsh on DeSantis, he needs the support of the RINOs and Uniparty loyalists to get the nomination. The system is corrupt and anyone who wants to rise in it either needs to give in to it, outsmart it, or destroy it. Most give in, I don't know of any who have outsmarted it, and Trump is showing us why attempting to destroy it without outsmarting it first is dumb. Another reason why he needs to be eliminated as a candidate, either voluntarily (hahaha) or by some other sham indictment. The point of your question on sheriff, AG, and DA is on target, and the 95% should be elevated to 100%. But I'm not sure it's priorities. I don't consider myself to be part of any herd, yet I'll readily admit that I'm not as effective an Independent as I could or should be. I try to keep myself educated, but whether it's laziness or a need for distractions and balance in my declining years, there's a self-imposed limit to how deep I go into the cesspool of politics. I'm pretty sure my move from suburbia to Bumfuck has something to do with it, but I'm also not disillusioned enough to think a rural area populated mostly by MAGAs is safe from the infiltration of leftists. That said, I completely agree that the power starts from the trenches (another obligatory football analogy ) and will commit to look closer at those candidates.
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Jul 4, 2023 11:38:33 GMT -5
Post by robbieratchet on Jul 4, 2023 11:38:33 GMT -5
Don't be too harsh on DeSantis, he needs the support of the RINOs and Uniparty loyalists to get the nomination. The system is corrupt and anyone who wants to rise in it either needs to give in to it, outsmart it, or destroy it. Most give in, I don't know of any who have outsmarted it, and Trump is showing us why attempting to destroy it without outsmarting it first is dumb. Another reason why he needs to be eliminated as a candidate, either voluntarily (hahaha) or by some other sham indictment. The entire power behind the entire freaking thing is globalization. Blackrock has already signed a contract with Zelensky to "invest in and rebuild Ukraine," once the war is over. This should be the kind of news that leads to a coup - instead, 99% of Americans either don't know that, or don't give a shit. Our foreign policy as it relates to the corporations that own Washington is seemingly impossible to topple over using any "legal" or normal means. During one of the Republican debates in 2016, Trump went off on Jeb and Dubya, about how the Iraq War was based on lies. The room turned silent, and a few even booed him. You could reasonably say right there and then the System had to destroy him. He spooked them, and he's still paying for it. Nothing scares me more than when both parties agree on something, like our 40 years of endless, pointless wars, that always seem to involve rebuilding countries we help destroy, while our lives are made worse here. I'm willing to give DeSantis slack; like I said, he's brand new on the national stage, and has to deal with legions of grubby hacks trying to worm his way into his inner circle. But he needs to tell the truth, unapologetically and aggressively. We are being grifted by those in power, their puppet in Ukraine, and the mega-corps who are profiting from it. Not a single red cent will go over there, and in fact Zelensky will need to show proof of where every penny has gone. Anything short of that will be a huge disappointment, RINOs be damned.
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