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Post by nephillymike on May 19, 2019 12:35:49 GMT -5
plenty to say if any interest. Not sure if he have any big fans on here
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Post by hankey on May 20, 2019 12:30:11 GMT -5
I do. First off, I'd like to remind our dumbass fan base that the Raptors are a really fucking good team with lots of playoff experience - in fact, LeBron has been the only thing standing between them and at least 2 Finals appearances in the last 3 years. So the knee-jerk 'Fire Brett Brown' brigade should shut the fuck up.
Playoff experience matters - and we just got a huge dose of it. Embiid crying afterwards is a good thing - he's tasted victory in the playoffs, and will come back harder and more determined next year. A freak triple-doink on the road in game 7 to prevent overtime? We should be looking forward to next year.
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Post by nephillymike on May 20, 2019 21:50:48 GMT -5
Glad somebody chimed in.
Here's a hodgepodge of my feelings/ thoughts etc after the crushing defeat.
I didn't watch any new conference or anything basketball related until yesterday when I binge watched every Sixers press conference except a few periphery players' exit interviews. That one took a while to get over.
- after the game ended, my initial reaction was disappointment, but I thought we would lose in OT if it got that far.
- that shot looked incredibly unlikely to go in based upon where it initially hit the rim. I heard that shot stats indicated there was a less 3% chance that a shot hitting the rim in that spot, goes in the basket. That's why shooters practice back spin on their shots.
- I thought that if the roles were reversed, there is no way a Raptors team with Leonard and Lowry as second year players defeats our team if we had the experience.
- the Raptors were 3-1 favorites to win that series. You needed to lay $300 to win $100. Heavy favorites!
- after free agency and signings, even though the Sixers improved their team, they were thought to be the 4th best team in the East. Boston had the two missing guys coming back, Bucks were loaded, Raptors had Leonard. You can't kill the coach when the team you were dealt was 4th best.
- I had them beating Nets 4-2 and losing to the Raptors 4-1, so they exceeded what I expected going in
- for all of the above reasons, I didn't think that Brown should have been fired. Fire a guy after losing a game 7 in round two to a circus shot by a Hallof Famer?
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- the above put me in the Keep Brett camp. Just a toe in, not my full body.
However......
- when last season ended, you could look at that loss toBoston and say it was clear that we needed to do three things:
1. Make Simmons able to hit a short to mid range jumper to prevent teams from employing the same D as Boston did
2. Get Embiid get in shape so he doesn't wither against the opposing Centers in playoff crunch time.
3. Brown needed to get strategically better as a coach and not get out coached as he did last year..
#1 wasn't happening
#2 wasn't happening
# 3 was going pretty well......until game 7.
While I am no NBA coach, I have coached close to 300 youth basketball games over the years. So I know about game plans, matchups, plays, strengths weaknesses etc.
What I witnessed that night was the most idiotic game plan that I have ever seen. Brown devised a game plan where one of the best big men consistently got re ball at the top of the three point line for hand offs, picks etc. An extreme few of the picks were working as we didn't get open looks for threes at the top of the three point line. We didn't execute the pick and roll where our extremely agile big man went to the hoop. Nope, that wouldn't be prudent . W didn't get he ball in the post to the big man where he could have either used a move to go to the hoop, or wait for the double team to kick it out for a pass pass shoot for one of our players who are a hell of a lot better at hitting threes than he is.
Nope. Instead, he deivises and allows to continue, an offense that has our Allstar big man touch the ball one hundred four times during the game, and only have three of them happen in the paint! The Raptors couldn't wish for anything any better. They must have creamed their pants seeing that.
The next morning I realized tat we needed three things.
We needed Simmons to be able to make a tento twelve foot jumper like most eight grade cyo players can.
We needed Embiid to be in as good shape as a designated high school player would be in.
We neeed a coach to devise a game plan that would not be so apparently stupid to anyone who has any knowledge of basketball.
Those three things are not asking a lot. I am mostly happy that Brown is back, however, I'd be lying if I told you that I was confident that he could effect change and accomplish such less than lofty goals.
For this reason, I have a short leash. I make it clear to him, Simmons, and Embiid that they are on the clock. They have until January first of net year to prove that they can accomplish these basic goals. If hey don't, Brown is fired and we go in another direction. Simple as that..
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Post by hankey on May 21, 2019 16:45:47 GMT -5
There's a lot of moving parts in a basketball or hockey game. It's much easier to criticize blatantly stupid decisions and play calls in football or baseball, especially at the professional level.
I have no problem with plays starting at the top of the key, as long as Embiid ends up low post. I found myself screaming at the tv every time he shot a 3-pointer. The real problem is he makes just enough of them to where he keeps trying, and he was 1-6 in game 7. However, he did end up with 21/11/4 in game 7, plus 3 blocks. Only Simmons had more assists, the other 3 categories he led the team. It's kind of hard to legitimately say the game plan failed, considering his stats and the result. But yeah, I'd like Brown to scream at him to stop shooting 3's.
It's also clear Gasol simply outplayed him down low. I would consider game 7's plan to be an adjustment to that. Gasol just wasn't allowing much in the paint. How much of that is Embiid being young and inexperienced, and how much was it his bum knee/fever/injury du jour?
I wasn't aware of the Vegas odds being 3-1, but it was pretty clear the Raptors were favored. If you bet on the Sixers to push the series 7 games, you probably would've won a lot of money. Which of course, points to Brown and the guys doing a good job overall.
As mentioned before, Brett Brown is simply owned by Brad Stevens. As Philly fans, we hate Boston - and it sucks knowing that the Celtics coach owns our coach just as much as Belichick owned/owns Andy Reid. I admit that - but as long as we don't draw the Celtics, I like our chances against anyone - and now we have playoff experience and the taste of the Conference Finals.
Your other point is something we all know - if Simmons ever develops a goddam jumper, we might be unstoppable. Regardless, Brown gets one more full year. Conference Finals or bust.
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Post by hankey on May 25, 2019 22:18:49 GMT -5
So.....would you like to revise your expectations of Brett Brown and this team against the Raptors?
They just went out and humiliated the #1 seed. Frankly, I think the Finals go 7. Brett Brown and the Sixers did a hell of a lot more against these guys than the Bucks.
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Post by nephillymike on May 26, 2019 7:44:22 GMT -5
Strangely, A little bit the opposite.
It is not a surprise to me that TOR beat MIL. Both TOR and the Sixers were better than MIL in 2017-18. It was not a stretch for either of us to beat them. Coming back from 0-2 was very surprising. Leonard is just unbelievable. Great job by the rookie coach too, keeping them in it.
I took solace in our loss thinking that we wouldn't beat GS anyway. However, GS is vulnerable with injuries. They are more beatable than they've been for years.
That makes our game 7 loss and all that went into it, that much harder to take.
Having GS crush TOR would ease that a little bit.
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Post by hankey on May 26, 2019 11:27:49 GMT -5
Strangely, A little bit the opposite. It is not a surprise to me that TOR beat MIL. Both TOR and the Sixers were better than MIL in 2017-18. It was not a stretch for either of us to beat them. Coming back from 0-2 was very surprising. Leonard is just unbelievable. Great job by the rookie coach too, keeping them in it. I took solace in our loss thinking that we wouldn't beat GS anyway. However, GS is vulnerable with injuries. They are more beatable than they've been for years. That makes our game 7 loss and all that went into it, that much harder to take. Having GS crush TOR would ease that a little bit. Toronto found a way to win and willed themselves there. That's what champions do - and playoff experience matters. I take comfort in knowing how close we are to greatness. And as much as I hate seeing tv cameras on Drake 10 times a game, I have to root for Toronto against GS. |
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Post by hankey on Jun 16, 2019 16:24:50 GMT -5
So for the Brett Brown haters, the 3 out of 4 defending champions just got spanked by a team we pushed to a game 7 triple-doink for overtime. The Bucks looked even worse.
Next year is our championship run.
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Post by nephillymike on Jun 29, 2019 4:48:50 GMT -5
Interesting and a little disappointed that the Rockets are the Vegas favorites to land Butler at even money, while the Sixers are 2nd at +150.
He's not ideal, but losing him would sting given our inability to draft or make other sound moves.
The end game with Simmons at the helm? 4 on 5 offensive ball at its finest!
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Post by hankey on Jun 29, 2019 11:57:27 GMT -5
I would do everything we can to bring back the same lineup. Those guys still never really got a chance to mesh over 30-40 games.
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Post by hankey on Jun 30, 2019 18:56:28 GMT -5
Harris extended. 1 down.
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Post by nephillymike on Jul 4, 2019 5:54:07 GMT -5
Well, are we better than last year's team?
They have very little money left, so I don't think they can make any improvement to the top seven on the roster. Maybe at buyout time next March but who knows.
As a coach, I was sad to see TJ go. I loved the way he played. 2yrs/7mil, I can't blame him, but Devonne Givens on 97.5 was saying that they were clearing cap space to bring him back. Who knows. He was 8th or 9th in the playoff rotation, so in the games that count he wasn't on course to be a factor but I will miss his style and effort.
There is no reason to give Simmons that max extension now. Have him prove he has the talent to make a grade school CYO jumper from 10 ft and has the balls to fail trying. If he does this early this year, I'd pay him then, no problem. Stupid move! Just because Jimmy turned us down, doesn't mean you have to spend it now,
Toby Harris for that much seemed way above market value as did the four year deal for Horford who I like.
Need to analyze a little closer, but on paper, this team looks like a notch below last year's version.
Anyone?
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Post by hankey on Jul 7, 2019 14:47:13 GMT -5
Well, are we better than last year's team? They have very little money left, so I don't think they can make any improvement to the top seven on the roster. Maybe at buyout time next March but who knows. As a coach, I was sad to see TJ go. I loved the way he played. 2yrs/7mil, I can't blame him, but Devonne Givens on 97.5 was saying that they were clearing cap space to bring him back. Who knows. He was 8th or 9th in the playoff rotation, so in the games that count he wasn't on course to be a factor but I will miss his style and effort. There is no reason to give Simmons that max extension now. Have him prove he has the talent to make a grade school CYO jumper from 10 ft and has the balls to fail trying. If he does this early this year, I'd pay him then, no problem. Stupid move! Just because Jimmy turned us down, doesn't mean you have to spend it now, Toby Harris for that much seemed way above market value as did the four year deal for Horford who I like. Need to analyze a little closer, but on paper, this team looks like a notch below last year's version. Anyone? Butler has the sexy big game performances, but I'd rather have Harris to be honest. Redick had a better year than Richardons, but clearly he's past his prime, and Richardson has upside and is young. Plus, imagine having Embiid, Horford, and Simmons on the court at the same time purely for size. I'm looking forward to a title run next year, provided we stay healthy. |
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Post by nephillymike on Jul 14, 2019 16:24:19 GMT -5
So I finally had some time to take a look at the advanced stats to compare last year's team versus this year's team to see if we've improved or not. After researching the advanced metrics, it looks like Real Plus Minus is the best one out there.This stat has the highest correlation of them all to predict results, better than Win Shares per 48 minutes, VORP, Box Plus Minus, and Player Efficiency rating. It basically is Plus Minus adjusted for the opponent's players and the other players on your team that are on the court. For instance, Simmons had a +4.1 BPM and Embiid had +4.1 also. However, Embiid played well without Simmons and Simmons struggled without Embiid. Their RPM was 6.4 for Embiid and 1.74 for Simmons.
Of the top nine players likely to be in the rotation this year, five return:
Embiid +6.40
Simmons +1.74
Harris +1.63
Scott (2.00)
Ennis (2.52)
Total = +5.25
Now to look at the arrived vs the departed:
Butler +4.41.................Horford +4.32
Redick +1.18.................Richardson +1.85
McConnell (3.33).............Neto +0.22
Marjanovic +0.88.............O'Quinn (1.35)
Total = +3.14................Total = +5.04
Before adjusting for playing time, it looks like we picked up about two points a game.
However, RPM calculates real plus minus given 100 offensive and 100 defensive possessions. It simulates that of an entire game. (Average total possessions in an NBA game last year war about 210, vs 200 assumed in the metric. Pass as minor). So Embiid may be a +6.40 if he played an entire game, but since he only plays about 32 or the 48 minutes, he only is worth 2/3 of that or + 4.26. As bad as my boy TJ was at (3.33) ( a surpise by the way, but the others made sense), he played no where near an entire game, so his negative is much lower.
The next thing you need to consider is the expected rotations and playing time this year versus actual playing time and rotations last year. And with last year, you need to pick games that meant something with everyone healthy to get a good idea of what the healthy/important playing time was. You also need to weed out the games that were blowouts as they are not indicative.
As far as this year's expected minutes allocation, The Athletic had a real good breakdown. (Nice Father's Day gift, really good articles!) Here's what they came up with for this year versus what I calculated for the non blowout/everyone healthy/important games from last year's playoff run.
Estimated 2019/20..............Last Year (non blowout/important/healthy)
Embiid 33 min..................Embiid 32 min
Simmons 34 min.................Simmons 39 min
Harris 33 min.................Harris 40 min
Scott 23 min..................Scott 20 min
Ennis 21 min...................Ennis 24 min
Richardson 35 min..............Redick 34 min
Horford 30 min.................Butler 37 min
Neto 16 min...................McConnell 6 min
O'Quinn 15 min.................Marjonovic 8 min.
When you do the math of multiplying the RPM times the % of game they play, our current year RPM computes to 8.39 versus 9.14 last year, a drop of about a point. Seems about right. You can mess with playing time minutes, but I'm not sure that you can assume that the old man Horford can play much more than 30 minutes a game, and that is where most of the upside is. If out of shape Embiid gets his ass in shape like a dedicated high school player does and Simmons masters that 7-10 foot jumper that starting level grade school CYO players hit, that will help him function on those minutes when Embiid isn't carrying him. Those things will go a long way to making this a better team than last year's.
There's concern that we don't have a three point marksman to spread the floor like last year, and that is probably legit, however, Butler was no marksman from three. Richardson is more willing and maybe Harris will get more chances. Korver and his minus 1.03 RPM may be out there, but he is a downgrade over Redick.
So I'd say slight downgrade with some potential to improve. But the opposite of last year, where on paper we improved, but the Raptors, Celtics and Bucks improved more. This year, we declined slightly, but the Raptors, Celtics and Bucks declined more. So we may be actually closer to the NBA finals than last year. With the loaded West, we're probably 5th or 6th in that conference.
It will be interesting.
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Post by nephillymike on Jul 19, 2019 21:20:07 GMT -5
Well, no interest.
I guess I must have
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Post by nephillymike on Jul 19, 2019 21:22:07 GMT -5
Well, no interest.
I guess I must have
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Post by hankey on Jul 20, 2019 15:47:37 GMT -5
Is there a music video for a song called "Blinded me with Extreme Boredom?" Because that would be far more accurate.
After reading, all I can do is point to David West's immortal tweet after the Houston Rockets 'analytics' experiment failed miserably for the last time before being finally blown to bits:
"Stop letting nerds tell you how to play basketball."
I believe in sound statistical analysis in all sports, but especially in baseball and football, considering the sample size and nature of how each play begins. "Analytics" has become almost a pejorative to me, a complete abandoning of rational statistical processing combined with sports knowledge. The metrics you post are useless for a variety of reasons - BPM doesn't take into account some relevant stats or playing time, and VORP is essentially WAR for basketball.....which for obvious reasons isn't anywhere near as relevant as a sports with concrete statistics over a large sample size, as baseball is. A coach's strategy often is to target a specific player on the court, or let a specific player shoot - you can't do that in baseball, and can only do so in a limited capacity in football.
You were calling for Brown's head at the beginning of this thread, even though we ended up being by far the toughest challenge for the NBA champs. Yet we're 5th or 6th in the West? What 'analytic' tells you that?
The fraud Rockets GM has finally admitted he's full of it by reuniting Westbrook with Harden (LOLZ!). Don't just take my word for it. Analytics in basketball is like tits on a bull.
We're better overall I think. Harris is fine from the perimeter, and even if Horford gives you 25 mins a game, we're likely to dominate for those 25 with Embiid and Simmons on the court. I agree they should focus more on their practice, but that has nothing to do with irrelevant stats. Title run next year provided we stay healthy.
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Post by nephillymike on Jul 21, 2019 6:46:29 GMT -5
This analysis does not tell a coach how to play, it simply uses advanced stats to see how talented this team is versus last year's version. Do it is not the nerds telling someone how to play. Kind of like comparing the 2018 Phils adjusted ERA and adjusted OPS with this year's team. It doesn't tell Gabe what to do.
Don't confuse box plus minus (BPM) and its VORP offspring with Real plus minus RPM. Without getting extremely overly stat geeky, trust that they are different .
RPM calculates a players net defensive and offensive net point contribution above an average NBA player for a theoretical game (100 offensive and 100 defensive possessions, which is close to the NBA actual average of 105 each per game). The calculation adjusts for the four teammates who are on the court and the five opponents who are on the floor.
Since it is a per estimated game statistic, you are right that it does not adjust for playing time. However, I did in my comparison by using last year's playing time versus estimated playing time for this year.
The ultimate goal is to use these stats to predict future outcomes of games, since that ultimately dictates how good we are. Not only W/L but margin of victory. No stat is perfect.
However, RPM is the best out there. RPM was accurate in predicting 65.5% of the margin of outcomes of games. This compares favorably to BPM 60.5, RAPM 60.3 (the parent of RPM), Win Shares per 48 min 54.6%, and PER 40.6%. Again, not perfect, but the best we have.
The 5th or 6th in the West comment had no analytics assigned to it. Just a guess on my part. If I get a chance, Ill look into the RPM stats for the starting lineups of the top teams to see how we compare. It's too hot for a lot of pool time today anyway ☹️
So, taking the RPM x expected playing time leads to a slight decline in expectations.
And you are correct. None of this can compensate for a bad coaching strategy. Like suppose we devised a game plan in game 7 where our best elite big man got the ball in the paint only three times out of 104 total times. Throw this shit out the window.
Thank god we have no coach who would ever dream of such lunacy. LOL.
Btw, with baseball changing the composition of the baseball, it is no where near the concrete stat haven you assume.
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Post by hankey on Jul 21, 2019 9:27:31 GMT -5
This analysis does not tell a coach how to play, it simply uses advanced stats to see how talented this team is versus last year's version. Do it is not the nerds telling someone how to play. Kind of like comparing the 2018 Phils adjusted ERA and adjusted OPS with this year's team. It doesn't tell Gabe what to do. Don't confuse box plus minus (BPM) and its VORP offspring with Real plus minus RPM. Without getting extremely overly stat geeky, trust that they are different . RPM calculates a players net defensive and offensive net point contribution above an average NBA player for a theoretical game (100 offensive and 100 defensive possessions, which is close to the NBA actual average of 105 each per game). The calculation adjusts for the four teammates who are on the court and the five opponents who are on the floor. Since it is a per estimated game statistic, you are right that it does not adjust for playing time. However, I did in my comparison by using last year's playing time versus estimated playing time for this year. The ultimate goal is to use these stats to predict future outcomes of games, since that ultimately dictates how good we are. Not only W/L but margin of victory. No stat is perfect. However, RPM is the best out there. RPM was accurate in predicting 65.5% of the margin of outcomes of games. This compares favorably to BPM 60.5, RAPM 60.3 (the parent of RPM), Win Shares per 48 min 54.6%, and PER 40.6%. Again, not perfect, but the best we have. The 5th or 6th in the West comment had no analytics assigned to it. Just a guess on my part. If I get a chance, Ill look into the RPM stats for the starting lineups of the top teams to see how we compare. It's too hot for a lot of pool time today anyway ☹️ So, taking the RPM x expected playing time leads to a slight decline in expectations. And you are correct. None of this can compensate for a bad coaching strategy. Like suppose we devised a game plan in game 7 where our best elite big man got the ball in the paint only three times out of 104 total times. Throw this shit out the window. Thank god we have no coach who would ever dream of such lunacy. LOL. Btw, with baseball changing the composition of the baseball, it is no where near the concrete stat haven you assume. "Analytics" started out as using different metrics and thinking outside the box to find value - the whole point was for a smaller market team to put together a potential championship roster with a limited budget, the 2002 Oakland A's. It worked while still not carrying them all the way (postseason performance has little to do with such metrics). I'm fully aware of the BS metrics used in basketball, and how useless most of them are. Again - "stop letting nerds tell you how to play basketball." But don't take my word for it - Daryl Morey, Mr. Basketball Analytics himself, just got spanked for the final time by a completely depleted Warriors team - and he blew the thing up. Westbrook and Harden and Durant couldn't get it done.....maybe a much older Westbrook and Harden can! What a complete fraud. Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons at different times completely shit the bed against the Raptors. Brown's coaching was fine, and I'm not doing this with you again as you're acting like a typical South Philly bar fly. It took a triple doink on the road against the champs to knock us out, and we improved in size while staying about the same in talent. As far as baseball goes, I will say analytics is killing the game, while not putting rings on anyone's finger who follows it. Imagine how easy it would be to score runs if hitters were taught how to choke up on the bat and slap an easy double against the shift. |
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Post by nephillymike on Jul 21, 2019 17:53:13 GMT -5
To be accurate, the triple doink prevented us from going to OT. We didn't have the lead. But I'm picking nits. It was heartbreaking.
Anyway, I did a little analysis that you may find interesting.
I took the projected top twelve NBA teams (I excluded the Nets because of injuries), and I tracked the total RPM for their starting lineups, over/under wins lines, odds to win the conference championship, and odds to win the championship.
Team................RPM Starter......Project Wins........Odds Conf....Odds Champ
PHI.......................16.05................ 53.5.......... .......2.25-1..............10-1
MIL.......................15.87.................56.0.................1.6-1................5.5-1
LAC......................14.31.................56.0..................2.5-1...............3.5-1
HOU.....................13.11.................53.0..................6.5-1.................9-1
TOR......................11.13.................45.5..................30-1................85-1
BOS.......................9.95..................48.5................. 8-1..................25-1
LAL........................9.84..................51.5................. 3.75-1..............6-1
UTA........................9.34.................53.5...................8.5-1...............16-1
GS..........................8.68.................47.5...................7-1..................12-1
IND.........................6.42.................46.5...................10-1................45-1
SA...........................4.74.................46.0...................45-1...............75-1
DEN........................3.78.................51.0...................8.5-1..............16-1
DEN looks like an outlier. I double checked their projected starting lineup as being Murray, Harris,Barton, Grant and Jokic. The killer is Barton and his negative 4.84 RPM. Maybe they are assuming he will be replaced. The starters typically play 70-75% of the game so eve.n with a below average bench, we should be near the top. Seems like the Sixers are better versus the West than I expected.
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Post by hankey on Jul 21, 2019 23:26:25 GMT -5
Anyway, I did a little analysis that you may find interesting. I took the projected top twelve NBA teams (I excluded the Nets because of injuries), and I tracked the total RPM for their starting lineups, over/under wins lines, odds to win the conference championship, and odds to win the championship. Team................RPM Starter......Project Wins........Odds Conf....Odds Champ PHI.......................16.05................ 53.5.......... .......2.25-1..............10-1 MIL.......................15.87.................56.0.................1.6-1................5.5-1 LAC......................14.31.................56.0..................2.5-1...............3.5-1 HOU.....................13.11.................53.0..................6.5-1.................9-1 TOR......................11.13.................45.5..................30-1................85-1 BOS.......................9.95..................48.5................. 8-1..................25-1 LAL........................9.84..................51.5................. 3.75-1..............6-1 UTA........................9.34.................53.5...................8.5-1...............16-1 GS..........................8.68.................47.5...................7-1..................12-1 IND.........................6.42.................46.5...................10-1................45-1 SA...........................4.74.................46.0...................45-1...............75-1 DEN........................3.78.................51.0...................8.5-1..............16-1 DEN looks like an outlier. I double checked their projected starting lineup as being Murray, Harris,Barton, Grant and Jokic. The killer is Barton and his negative 4.84 RPM. Maybe they are assuming he will be replaced. The starters typically play 70-75% of the game so eve.n with a below average bench, we should be near the top. Seems like the Sixers are better versus the West than I expected. I'm always interested in stats and looking into them. My cynical attitude towards many metrics (including almost every new fad NBA metric) comes from sniffing out the BS in them. Plus-minus based stats are good for showing defensive value, specifically in hockey (the entire reason the stat exists). Defensive hockey players really aren't expected to score, and even having an assist every now and then is considered a bonus. Such stats don't work as well in the NBA where most players are expected to chip in with scoring, and all players are expected to play defense. It's obviously good to have a higher plus-minus or RPM than a lower one, but the stat is clearly flawed. Some simple searching and I see that 26 out of the top 40 defensive RPM's belong to Centers. Only one guard is in the top 40 (Jimmy Butler). It doesn't take much to figure that one out. Embiid is 20th in the league in offensive RPM. In overall RPM Simmons is ranked 63rd, and Klay Thompson #175, behind most of the Warriors roster. Iguodala is ranked just above Russell Westbrook. It seems that finding value in backup players and on defense is far more relevant with RPM, and not so much for starters. As for where we stand against the West, I think all 3 of the top Eastern teams were better than anyone in the West. I've thought that for some time. The Warriors' playoff experience might have carried the day, but we matched up well with them and certainly would've beaten anyone else. FWIW, Vegas odds are gospel to me compared to any metric, and I like what I'm seeing in our preseason gambling odds. No 'analytics' team has won a ring to my knowledge in any sport. Vegas always wins. |
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Post by nephillymike on Jul 22, 2019 4:59:51 GMT -5
FWIW, with Durant, GS moves to 1st on the list by inserting his RPM and removing a negative, If that held in years past,then an RPM team would have won.
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Post by hankey on Jul 22, 2019 11:55:19 GMT -5
FWIW, with Durant, GS moves to 1st on the list by inserting his RPM and removing a negative, If that held in years past,then an RPM team would have won. Yeah, but what about Kawhi Leonard going from the Raptors to the Clippers? That probably skews the whole thing too. |
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