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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 13, 2023 15:26:49 GMT -5
Why does this team constantly shy away from established coaches? I mean, one of the excuses for the offensive struggles is it's Johnson's first year, etc. Why the hell did they not go out and get someone with a track record? I mean, they were 3 points away from a SB last season. So why hire someone so they can learn on the job?
At least Desai has experience previously and I think he's hamstrung by personnel. But I just don't understand hiring someone with ZERO experience and hand them the keys to the Ferrari and then send him on the track. Makes no sense....
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Post by cteagle on Dec 13, 2023 15:52:11 GMT -5
Why does this team constantly shy away from established coaches? I mean, one of the excuses for the offensive struggles is it's Johnson's first year, etc. Why the hell did they not go out and get someone with a track record? I mean, they were 3 points away from a SB last season. So why hire someone so they can learn on the job? At least Desai has experience previously and I think he's hamstrung by personnel. But I just don't understand hiring someone with ZERO experience and hand them the keys to the Ferrari and then send him on the track. Makes no sense.... Agreed. Hiring coordinators with little to no experience is fine for a team that is rebuilding. It is not fine for a team poised to compete for a title.
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 13, 2023 16:48:33 GMT -5
Why does this team constantly shy away from established coaches? I mean, one of the excuses for the offensive struggles is it's Johnson's first year, etc. Why the hell did they not go out and get someone with a track record? I mean, they were 3 points away from a SB last season. So why hire someone so they can learn on the job? At least Desai has experience previously and I think he's hamstrung by personnel. But I just don't understand hiring someone with ZERO experience and hand them the keys to the Ferrari and then send him on the track. Makes no sense.... Agreed. Hiring coordinators with little to no experience is fine for a team that is rebuilding. It is not fine for a team poised to compete for a title. It really bothered me when they made the hires but, obviously, they were winning but, even with that, I couldn't understand the reasoning. I also don't understand the reason teams don't pay the GOOD coordinators MORE trying to keep them with the team. I get it, hard to sell a coordinator position over a HC position but, everyone has a price and, as we've seen in 2018 and now here in 2023, sometimes, the coordinator (OC in our case) is almost as important--or more important--than the HC. Not saying it's easy to do--hold onto good coordinators--but it doesn't seem like teams even try. The game has changed. Teams need to change with it...
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Post by One on Dec 14, 2023 9:11:11 GMT -5
I'd guess one of the reasons for hiring Johnson is both the continuity of system and his familiarity with Hurts. I'm not a stats guy, but I'm also guessing that the offensive woes aren't solely on the OC, or maybe even mostly on him. Looks to me like the OL isn't performing up to last year's standards, still a strength, but not as dominant. It also looks to me like the offense is suffering from the defense's problems. Maybe they're trying to make up for defensive woes. The Cowboys game would have been a lot different without the drops and fumbles. And last year they were really fortunate with injuries which have really hurt the defense. Maybe the inexperience of the coordinators is mostly affecting their ability to keep the players even-keeled during the tough times.
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 14, 2023 10:13:46 GMT -5
I'd guess one of the reasons for hiring Johnson is both the continuity of system and his familiarity with Hurts. I'm not a stats guy, but I'm also guessing that the offensive woes aren't solely on the OC, or maybe even mostly on him. Looks to me like the OL isn't performing up to last year's standards, still a strength, but not as dominant. It also looks to me like the offense is suffering from the defense's problems. Maybe they're trying to make up for defensive woes. The Cowboys game would have been a lot different without the drops and fumbles. And last year they were really fortunate with injuries which have really hurt the defense. Maybe the inexperience of the coordinators is mostly affecting their ability to keep the players even-keeled during the tough times. I know Hurts wanted him as he's known him since he was a kid. I suspect that's part of it. But that's not an excuse to hand over the keys to someone with ZERO experience on a team that's contending for a SB. I am not saying everyone has performed well, however, this offense definitely doesn't look as good as it did. I know the stats (until the past two weeks) show points, yards, etc. were all similar to last season but, as I've said, numbers don't tell the whole story. Why are all routes down the field? Nothing over the middle? No safety valve for Hurts to drop the ball off to? That's scheme, that's Siriani and the OC. Why are they not running any screens? A couple of weeks ago, they threw these inside screens to Swift. They worked very well. Haven't seen it since. Why doesn't Swith see the ball more often? Not saying give him the ball 40 times but, 15-20 isn't crazy and he's definitely the best back they have and one of the best guys in open space. But NOTHING to get him the ball in space. You can say the OL hasn't played as well--and maybe they haven't--however, Hurts is holding the ball almost longer than ANYONE in the NFL. So he's got plenty of time. The sacks he's taken have often been because he's holding the ball, or running out of bounds instead of throwing it away or falling down for a 20+ yard loss. Sorry but this OL hasn't played badly at all. It's definitely more than one problem on the team but this offense is horrible and is absolutely (at least) partly because of the OC. But my point stands, why hire someone with NO experience when you're chasing a SB?
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Post by One on Dec 14, 2023 15:30:21 GMT -5
I'd guess one of the reasons for hiring Johnson is both the continuity of system and his familiarity with Hurts. I'm not a stats guy, but I'm also guessing that the offensive woes aren't solely on the OC, or maybe even mostly on him. Looks to me like the OL isn't performing up to last year's standards, still a strength, but not as dominant. It also looks to me like the offense is suffering from the defense's problems. Maybe they're trying to make up for defensive woes. The Cowboys game would have been a lot different without the drops and fumbles. And last year they were really fortunate with injuries which have really hurt the defense. Maybe the inexperience of the coordinators is mostly affecting their ability to keep the players even-keeled during the tough times. But my point stands, why hire someone with NO experience when you're chasing a SB? Just a guess, but maybe because they thought they had enough talent to overcome growing pains. I don't think Doug was allowed to choose his own coordinators, I think Sirianni is. Now he has to manage/fix the problem. That said, and I know it's not your position, but the injuries to the defense makes a SB victory questionable regardless of how well the offense plays. And I know that doesn't resolve your point either, but if ... IF ... these guys progress through this and are good at their jobs next year it may be worth the angst. Then again, the negadelphian in me thinks if that's the case they'll be hired away and we start all over again.
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 15, 2023 10:14:36 GMT -5
But my point stands, why hire someone with NO experience when you're chasing a SB? Just a guess, but maybe because they thought they had enough talent to overcome growing pains. I don't think Doug was allowed to choose his own coordinators, I think Sirianni is. Now he has to manage/fix the problem. That said, and I know it's not your position, but the injuries to the defense makes a SB victory questionable regardless of how well the offense plays. And I know that doesn't resolve your point either, but if ... IF ... these guys progress through this and are good at their jobs next year it may be worth the angst. Then again, the negadelphian in me thinks if that's the case they'll be hired away and we start all over again. I get all of that but, when you go all in on the players--then NOT go all in on coaching--how does that make sense? I know you get it but this is my question to Lurie/Howie. It makes ZERO sense. I don't care if they're good NEXT year, we're still in THIS year.
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Post by rumply on Dec 16, 2023 3:05:38 GMT -5
The underutilisation of Swift has really been pissing me off. He's a passing weapon with zero targets last week & 2 the week before.
Agree with the coaching hire observations. Maybe there wasn't anyone they thought was the right fit but still, going with 2 rookie coordinators has obviously backfired. & yes, if you really want to keep someone, break the cheque book out. But Lurie is a great owner, we are very lucky in that regard so I can't be too critical.
Hurts is someone that likes to be challenged. Is that still happening now with Johnson as it once was? I wonder.
I haven't given up just yet but if they put in a poor effort against the Seahawks, it looks like it'll be a season of 'what could have been'. Very frustrating.
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 16, 2023 9:13:48 GMT -5
The underutilisation of Swift has really been pissing me off. He's a passing weapon with zero targets last week & 2 the week before. Agree with the coaching hire observations. Maybe there wasn't anyone they thought was the right fit but still, going with 2 rookie coordinators has obviously backfired. & yes, if you really want to keep someone, break the cheque book out. But Lurie is a great owner, we are very lucky in that regard so I can't be too critical. Hurts is someone that likes to be challenged. Is that still happening now with Johnson as it once was? I wonder. I haven't given up just yet but if they put in a poor effort against the Seahawks, it looks like it'll be a season of 'what could have been'. Very frustrating. Not getting the ball in Swift's hands drives me crazy. I know you've got to give the guy rest but I'm sick of watching Gainwell not gain well. But Swift should touch the ball 10-15 times a game. He's a great runner.
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