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Post by cteagle on Dec 10, 2023 21:51:09 GMT -5
Going into half-time and I believe that is 10 consecutive drives that the Eagle's D has allowed the opposing offense to score.
I wonder if that is getting close to an NFL record.
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Post by robbieratchet on Dec 10, 2023 23:51:11 GMT -5
I would be shocked if that was anywhere near the NFL record, but it's a moot point now.
We followed up a huge loss at home with 2 offensive field goals. Obviously the play calling was as bad as usual. Sirianni can say whatever he likes to the press about Brian Johnson, but he better be doing something behind the scenes, or he's going to quickly find himself in the WIP and fan base's crosshairs.
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 11, 2023 6:27:01 GMT -5
The defense is utter trash. The offense is right behind the defense here. This team has fallen apart. No spark anywhere. No pride. This coaching staff has fucked up a very good team.
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Post by nephillymike on Dec 11, 2023 20:19:13 GMT -5
At one point, the ten drives consisted of 9 TD and 1 FG.
That is trash.
If 57 points allowed isn’t the most points consecutively , it can’t be far behind.
We are seeing the impact of having two rookie coordinators. Learning on the job.
Think about any job you’ve had and how much less prepared you were six months in.
That being said, we are finally playing a team on equal rest. SEA owns us, but at least it will be a better situation than we’ve been in. Geno may not play. We’ll take anything we can get. While DAL and SF are the better teams right now, the better team does not necessarily need to earn the #1 seed. We win Sunday and we have a path to the division and a muddier path to the #1 seed.
We’ll see.
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Post by One on Dec 11, 2023 21:01:57 GMT -5
1- We are seeing the impact of having two rookie coordinators. Learning on the job. 2 - That being said, we are finally playing a team on equal rest. 1- That is the more optimistic view, it could be they aren't qualified. 2 - I had forgotten both SF and Dallas were coming off of mini-byes while the Eagles were coming off of a gauntlet. Relevant. As far as the defense is concerned, we also have to take into account the injuries and the competent depth at LB, CB and S. It's beginning to look more like Johnson was a good position coach but either not ready to be a coordinator or is out of his depth as DC. Listening to some of the players, it also sounds like there may be confidence issues with Desai coordinating. I know he preached being the tough guys but they've been bitch-slapped an awful lot lately. |
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Post by robbieratchet on Dec 12, 2023 11:06:59 GMT -5
We are seeing the impact of having two rookie coordinators. Learning on the job. Think about any job you’ve had and how much less prepared you were six months in. Yeah, my first few weeks at McDonald's when I was 14 were rough. I wasn't one of the faces of a billion dollar franchise..... If Sirianni isn't taking away play calling duties at minimum, this is now on him. As for Desai, yes the defense has been awful, but it's not all on the personnel. I counted only a few times on Sunday that Slay was on Lamb. Yes, our only reliable CB, for the most part, was on Cooks, instead of a top-3 WR. Sometimes Bradberry was on Lamb, but most of the time it was Jobe, in his first full year. I don't know how anyone justifies that. He was likely getting double-teamed, but still. Side note: it's hard to find anything on consecutive drive futility, but also it gets muddied because of end of half/game possessions. We actually gave up 6 td's in a row before the 49ers game ending drive, and then 4 scores to Dallas. Same with others I tried to find. Just pointing it out. |
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 12, 2023 15:25:03 GMT -5
We are seeing the impact of having two rookie coordinators. Learning on the job. Think about any job you’ve had and how much less prepared you were six months in. Yeah, my first few weeks at McDonald's when I was 14 were rough. I wasn't one of the faces of a billion dollar franchise..... If Sirianni isn't taking away play calling duties at minimum, this is now on him. As for Desai, yes the defense has been awful, but it's not all on the personnel. I counted only a few times on Sunday that Slay was on Lamb. Yes, our only reliable CB, for the most part, was on Cooks, instead of a top-3 WR. Sometimes Bradberry was on Lamb, but most of the time it was Jobe, in his first full year. I don't know how anyone justifies that. He was likely getting double-teamed, but still. Side note: it's hard to find anything on consecutive drive futility, but also it gets muddied because of end of half/game possessions. We actually gave up 6 td's in a row before the 49ers game ending drive, and then 4 scores to Dallas. Same with others I tried to find. Just pointing it out. Not sure I want Siriani to call plays either. He was doing that his first season. They struggled. As soon as he turned it over, they thrived. So not sure it would be any better. Slay doesn't travel. Neither does Bradberry. Because of that, a team can easily manage matchups to our disadvantage. So many communication breakdowns all season in that 2ndary. That's killing this defense. |
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Post by robbieratchet on Dec 12, 2023 17:40:48 GMT -5
Not sure I want Siriani to call plays either. He was doing that his first season. They struggled. As soon as he turned it over, they thrived. So not sure it would be any better. Slay doesn't travel. Neither does Bradberry. Because of that, a team can easily manage matchups to our disadvantage. So many communication breakdowns all season in that 2ndary. That's killing this defense. I've definitely seen both of them on different sides of the field before, and definitely on Sunday night, just not on Lamb. Still, if neither of them travel, then Jobe shouldn't be on Lamb, one of them should be. And last, that's one of the most horseshit excuses ever. If you're Deion Sanders and you don't want to travel, fine (although he often did). Darius Slay should be told to go the fuck wherever their #1 is. That's like last game when when we lose by 23 points and people are claiming our CB's did well. |
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 13, 2023 6:50:54 GMT -5
Not sure I want Siriani to call plays either. He was doing that his first season. They struggled. As soon as he turned it over, they thrived. So not sure it would be any better. Slay doesn't travel. Neither does Bradberry. Because of that, a team can easily manage matchups to our disadvantage. So many communication breakdowns all season in that 2ndary. That's killing this defense. I've definitely seen both of them on different sides of the field before, and definitely on Sunday night, just not on Lamb. Still, if neither of them travel, then Jobe shouldn't be on Lamb, one of them should be. And last, that's one of the most horseshit excuses ever. If you're Deion Sanders and you don't want to travel, fine (although he often did). Darius Slay should be told to go the fuck wherever their #1 is. That's like last game when when we lose by 23 points and people are claiming our CB's did well. I don't disagree but most CBs don't travel any longer. Just another example of the game getting soft. Back in the day, they'd travel. Whether they want to or not. |
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Post by cteagle on Dec 13, 2023 13:24:02 GMT -5
That's like last game when when we lose by 23 points and people are claiming our CB's did well. That is because the CBs were not to blame for the SF game. I provided the stats when I made that comment and I will provide them again. Bradberry - Targeted 3 times, 2 completions, 55 yards and a TD. Not great, but not horrible. Slay - Targeted 5 times, 4 completions, 44 yards and 0 TDs. That is a good day. Combined, the starting CBs gave up 99 yards and 1 TD. Looking at the Dallas game, Bradberry did not do as well but again, he was not horrible. Bradberry - Targeted 8 times, 7 completions, 63 yards and a TD. Slay - Targeted 4 times, 0 completions, 0 yards and 0 TDs. That is a very good game. Combined, they gave up 63 yards and a TD. The Eagle's defense looked horrible against SF and Dal but when you look at the performance of the CBs, in both games combined, they gave up 162 yards and 2 TDs. Those are not horrible numbers for two full games. |
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 13, 2023 15:24:19 GMT -5
That's like last game when when we lose by 23 points and people are claiming our CB's did well. That is because the CBs were not to blame for the SF game. I provided the stats when I made that comment and I will provide them again. Bradberry - Targeted 3 times, 2 completions, 55 yards and a TD. Not great, but not horrible. Slay - Targeted 5 times, 4 completions, 44 yards and 0 TDs. That is a good day. Combined, the starting CBs gave up 99 yards and 1 TD. Looking at the Dallas game, Bradberry did not do as well but again, he was not horrible. Bradberry - Targeted 8 times, 7 completions, 63 yards and a TD. Slay - Targeted 4 times, 0 completions, 0 yards and 0 TDs. That is a very good game. Combined, they gave up 63 yards and a TD. The Eagle's defense looked horrible against SF and Dal but when you look at the performance of the CBs, in both games combined, they gave up 162 yards and 2 TDs. Those are not horrible numbers for two full games. The game is not played in a vacuum. Stats are great but they don't tell the whole story. They aren't stopping the run. So people are running more on them. And, nobody watching this team can say (being honest with themselves) that the defense is playing well regardless of stats. Nobody can make an argument Bradberry and Slay are playing well. Not playing as badly as we are acting like but they are not playing well. Kinda like Slay talking after the SF game saying he led the team in tackles. Well, since his tackles are almost always pushing someone out of bounds, I don't think you'd look at that as a good game tackling. This defense is playing horribly. The biggest culprit (IMO) is the defensive line. They are not getting the pressure and, when they do, they aren't getting sacks....especially on 3rd down. They are LAST in the NFL in sacks on 3rd down. When you play this shitty sit back and tackle defense everyone is in love with in the NFL, you HAVE to get pressure and get sacks or you get what we're seeing right now...the worst team on 3rd down in the league. Constant 3rd and longs given up. And, part of the reason the CB numbers aren't looking as bad as they are looking on the field is because we have shit for LBs in the middle and shit for slot corners. They are getting eaten up. So no need to go against Slay and Bradberry. Just like people have been--still are--saying this team doesn't look like a 10-1, 10-2 and now 10-3 team. The numbers don't tell the whole story. Yes, they are tied for the best record in the NFL, however, they don't LOOK like it at this point. Doesn't mean they'll finish the season like that but it is what it is currently. They look horrible as a team even though they are 10-3. We did this last season with the defense. Look at the numbers! But so many of us were talking about the problems with the defense. They got away with it...until the SB where, even though they scored 35 they gave up 38. The defense is trash. I don't know if it's scheme or personnel. My gut tells me it's a bit of both. |
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Post by cteagle on Dec 13, 2023 15:47:17 GMT -5
That is because the CBs were not to blame for the SF game. I provided the stats when I made that comment and I will provide them again. Bradberry - Targeted 3 times, 2 completions, 55 yards and a TD. Not great, but not horrible. Slay - Targeted 5 times, 4 completions, 44 yards and 0 TDs. That is a good day. Combined, the starting CBs gave up 99 yards and 1 TD. Looking at the Dallas game, Bradberry did not do as well but again, he was not horrible. Bradberry - Targeted 8 times, 7 completions, 63 yards and a TD. Slay - Targeted 4 times, 0 completions, 0 yards and 0 TDs. That is a very good game. Combined, they gave up 63 yards and a TD. The Eagle's defense looked horrible against SF and Dal but when you look at the performance of the CBs, in both games combined, they gave up 162 yards and 2 TDs. Those are not horrible numbers for two full games. The game is not played in a vacuum. Stats are great but they don't tell the whole story. They aren't stopping the run. So people are running more on them. And, nobody watching this team can say (being honest with themselves) that the defense is playing well regardless of stats. Nobody can make an argument Bradberry and Slay are playing well. Not playing as badly as we are acting like but they are not playing well. Kinda like Slay talking after the SF game saying he led the team in tackles. Well, since his tackles are almost always pushing someone out of bounds, I don't think you'd look at that as a good game tackling. This defense is playing horribly. The biggest culprit (IMO) is the defensive line. They are not getting the pressure and, when they do, they aren't getting sacks....especially on 3rd down. They are LAST in the NFL in sacks on 3rd down. When you play this shitty sit back and tackle defense everyone is in love with in the NFL, you HAVE to get pressure and get sacks or you get what we're seeing right now...the worst team on 3rd down in the league. Constant 3rd and longs given up. And, part of the reason the CB numbers aren't looking as bad as they are looking on the field is because we have shit for LBs in the middle and shit for slot corners. They are getting eaten up. So no need to go against Slay and Bradberry. Just like people have been--still are--saying this team doesn't look like a 10-1, 10-2 and now 10-3 team. The numbers don't tell the whole story. Yes, they are tied for the best record in the NFL, however, they don't LOOK like it at this point. Doesn't mean they'll finish the season like that but it is what it is currently. They look horrible as a team even though they are 10-3. We did this last season with the defense. Look at the numbers! But so many of us were talking about the problems with the defense. They got away with it...until the SB where, even though they scored 35 they gave up 38. The defense is trash. I don't know if it's scheme or personnel. My gut tells me it's a bit of both. I am not saying the defense is good. Look back on my posts from about midway through the season. I was calling out the defense back then even though the Eagles were winning games. The only point I made regarding the last 2 games is that Slay and Bradberry were not the problem. In the last 2 games, SF and Dal looked at the defense and decided their best chance for success was to attack the linebackers, not the CBs. Does that mean that they would not have been successful attacking the CBs? No. They very well could have had success but they did not. Regarding the D line, they are actually generating pressure. They are number 2 in the league, just behind SF. QBs have attempted more passes vs. the Eagles than any other team in the league so that inflates the number of pressures that the Eagles have totaled a bit. If you look at the percentage of drop backs were the Eagles generated pressure, they are 9th in the league. What they are not doing, as you noted, is turning those pressures into sacks. They are currently ranked 12 in the league. |
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 13, 2023 16:57:37 GMT -5
I am not saying the defense is good. Look back on my posts from about midway through the season. I was calling out the defense back then even though the Eagles were winning games. The only point I made regarding the last 2 games is that Slay and Bradberry were not the problem. In the last 2 games, SF and Dal looked at the defense and decided their best chance for success was to attack the linebackers, not the CBs. Does that mean that they would not have been successful attacking the CBs? No. They very well could have had success but they did not. Regarding the D line, they are actually generating pressure. They are number 2 in the league, just behind SF. QBs have attempted more passes vs. the Eagles than any other team in the league so that inflates the number of pressures that the Eagles have totaled a bit. If you look at the percentage of drop backs were the Eagles generated pressure, they are 9th in the league. What they are not doing, as you noted, is turning those pressures into sacks. They are currently ranked 12 in the league. I've never said the only problem is Slay/Bradberry, but they are definitely part of the problem. They have been serviceable but far from good. With what they're being paid, we need more than serviceable... SF and Dallas moved players around to get their top people on our weaknesses. This is a scheme problem with the defense. And again, the numbers mean nothing. This team isn't generating pressure. Number 2 in the league? How? Other than Reddick right now, nobody is even getting close enough to say hello to the QB. People drop back more because, not only do we suck against the run, we suck even more against the pass. We can't stop anyone. This team is dead LAST in sacks on 3rd down...LAST!! They are 12th overall in sacks. With this defensive line!!?? Sorry, they aren't getting to the QB. Even if you want to use the pressure stat to make yourself feel better, pressure is great but, they're still completing passes and we aren't gettin the sack. So, in essence, the pressure they're getting is literally worthless. It's not making the QB make mistakes. We aren't covering well on the back. Teams have marched up the field on this defense all season...even when they were winning. Stats do not tell the whole story. You can look at this team and see the problems regardless of the numbers. |
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Post by cteagle on Dec 13, 2023 17:18:34 GMT -5
I am not saying the defense is good. Look back on my posts from about midway through the season. I was calling out the defense back then even though the Eagles were winning games. The only point I made regarding the last 2 games is that Slay and Bradberry were not the problem. In the last 2 games, SF and Dal looked at the defense and decided their best chance for success was to attack the linebackers, not the CBs. Does that mean that they would not have been successful attacking the CBs? No. They very well could have had success but they did not. Regarding the D line, they are actually generating pressure. They are number 2 in the league, just behind SF. QBs have attempted more passes vs. the Eagles than any other team in the league so that inflates the number of pressures that the Eagles have totaled a bit. If you look at the percentage of drop backs were the Eagles generated pressure, they are 9th in the league. What they are not doing, as you noted, is turning those pressures into sacks. They are currently ranked 12 in the league. I've never said the only problem is Slay/Bradberry, but they are definitely part of the problem. They have been serviceable but far from good. With what they're being paid, we need more than serviceable... SF and Dallas moved players around to get their top people on our weaknesses. This is a scheme problem with the defense. And again, the numbers mean nothing. This team isn't generating pressure. Number 2 in the league? How? Other than Reddick right now, nobody is even getting close enough to say hello to the QB. People drop back more because, not only do we suck against the run, we suck even more against the pass. We can't stop anyone. This team is dead LAST in sacks on 3rd down...LAST!! They are 12th overall in sacks. With this defensive line!!?? Sorry, they aren't getting to the QB. Even if you want to use the pressure stat to make yourself feel better, pressure is great but, they're still completing passes and we aren't gettin the sack. So, in essence, the pressure they're getting is literally worthless. It's not making the QB make mistakes. We aren't covering well on the back. Teams have marched up the field on this defense all season...even when they were winning. Stats do not tell the whole story. You can look at this team and see the problems regardless of the numbers. And I am saying that Bradberry and Slay were not part of the problem versus SF and Dal. That's it, vs SF and Dal. I am not saying anything regarding their play during the other games. Why do you keep making a case for the whole season when I am specifically referencing the SF and Dal game? I love discussing things with other fans but I have to admit, it is frustrating responding to things I did not say. I don't know why are trying to make the case to me that the defense is bad when I have been saying the defense is bad for months. You're preaching to the choir. Of course SF and Dal moved players around to get their top players on our weaknesses. Now ask yourself, why did they focus on the linebackers? Maybe Bradberry and Slay are not playing as badly as we as fans have been saying. You say the team is not getting pressure but the numbers are the numbers. They are 2nd in the league. They are 12th in sacks which isn't great but it is not horrible either. It is slightly better than middle of the pack. Regarding the pressures not turning into sacks, I fully concur and even agreed with you regarding this point in my previous post. |
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Post by robbieratchet on Dec 13, 2023 19:19:22 GMT -5
Looking at the Dallas game, Bradberry did not do as well but again, he was not horrible. Bradberry - Targeted 8 times, 7 completions, 63 yards and a TD. Slay - Targeted 4 times, 0 completions, 0 yards and 0 TDs. That is a very good game. Combined, they gave up 63 yards and a TD. The Eagle's defense looked horrible against SF and Dal but when you look at the performance of the CBs, in both games combined, they gave up 162 yards and 2 TDs. Those are not horrible numbers for two full games. Yeah, Slay was great not covering Lamb at all. Maybe next week he can cover a rookie slot WR. Bradberry sucked a tad bit more while covering Gallup and sometimes Cooks. So what? We've gone over the SF game. Your LB isn't supposed to be covering Deebo Samuel. That's on the DBs, and especially the DC. There's no celebrating our secondary for the last 2 weeks. |
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Post by cteagle on Dec 13, 2023 20:19:21 GMT -5
Looking at the Dallas game, Bradberry did not do as well but again, he was not horrible. Bradberry - Targeted 8 times, 7 completions, 63 yards and a TD. Slay - Targeted 4 times, 0 completions, 0 yards and 0 TDs. That is a very good game. Combined, they gave up 63 yards and a TD. The Eagle's defense looked horrible against SF and Dal but when you look at the performance of the CBs, in both games combined, they gave up 162 yards and 2 TDs. Those are not horrible numbers for two full games. Yeah, Slay was great not covering Lamb at all. Maybe next week he can cover a rookie slot WR. Bradberry sucked a tad bit more while covering Gallup and sometimes Cooks. So what? We've gone over the SF game. Your LB isn't supposed to be covering Deebo Samuel. That's on the DBs, and especially the DC. There's no celebrating our secondary for the last 2 weeks. I'll take my two CBs giving up 162 yards and 2 TDs over two games, against two of the best offenses in the league, any day of the week. What do you expect the CBs to do? Keep them to zero TDs in two games? Those are good numbers against good offenses. How is the LBers covering Samuel on the DBs? They don't get to decide that. The coverage is called by the DC. Nobody is celebrating the secondary. Again, you are arguing against something I didn't say. For the final time, my point is that Bradberry and Slay are not to blame for the defense getting smoked over the last two games. Look at the yards and the points Bradberry and Slay were responsible for. They did their job in those two games. |
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 14, 2023 6:31:02 GMT -5
Looking at the Dallas game, Bradberry did not do as well but again, he was not horrible. Bradberry - Targeted 8 times, 7 completions, 63 yards and a TD. Slay - Targeted 4 times, 0 completions, 0 yards and 0 TDs. That is a very good game. Combined, they gave up 63 yards and a TD. The Eagle's defense looked horrible against SF and Dal but when you look at the performance of the CBs, in both games combined, they gave up 162 yards and 2 TDs. Those are not horrible numbers for two full games. Yeah, Slay was great not covering Lamb at all. Maybe next week he can cover a rookie slot WR. Bradberry sucked a tad bit more while covering Gallup and sometimes Cooks. So what? We've gone over the SF game. Your LB isn't supposed to be covering Deebo Samuel. That's on the DBs, and especially the DC. There's no celebrating our secondary for the last 2 weeks. Thank you. You're explaining it a bit better than I did. |
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 14, 2023 6:34:19 GMT -5
I've never said the only problem is Slay/Bradberry, but they are definitely part of the problem. They have been serviceable but far from good. With what they're being paid, we need more than serviceable... SF and Dallas moved players around to get their top people on our weaknesses. This is a scheme problem with the defense. And again, the numbers mean nothing. This team isn't generating pressure. Number 2 in the league? How? Other than Reddick right now, nobody is even getting close enough to say hello to the QB. People drop back more because, not only do we suck against the run, we suck even more against the pass. We can't stop anyone. This team is dead LAST in sacks on 3rd down...LAST!! They are 12th overall in sacks. With this defensive line!!?? Sorry, they aren't getting to the QB. Even if you want to use the pressure stat to make yourself feel better, pressure is great but, they're still completing passes and we aren't gettin the sack. So, in essence, the pressure they're getting is literally worthless. It's not making the QB make mistakes. We aren't covering well on the back. Teams have marched up the field on this defense all season...even when they were winning. Stats do not tell the whole story. You can look at this team and see the problems regardless of the numbers. And I am saying that Bradberry and Slay were not part of the problem versus SF and Dal. That's it, vs SF and Dal. I am not saying anything regarding their play during the other games. Why do you keep making a case for the whole season when I am specifically referencing the SF and Dal game? I love discussing things with other fans but I have to admit, it is frustrating responding to things I did not say. I don't know why are trying to make the case to me that the defense is bad when I have been saying the defense is bad for months. You're preaching to the choir. Of course SF and Dal moved players around to get their top players on our weaknesses. Now ask yourself, why did they focus on the linebackers? Maybe Bradberry and Slay are not playing as badly as we as fans have been saying. You say the team is not getting pressure but the numbers are the numbers. They are 2nd in the league. They are 12th in sacks which isn't great but it is not horrible either. It is slightly better than middle of the pack. Regarding the pressures not turning into sacks, I fully concur and even agreed with you regarding this point in my previous post. But you're missing my point about how Dallas/SF moved players around to get the matchups they wanted. So Slay/Bradberry aren't covering the top people. So you'd expect their numbers in games like that to look not so bad. And again, you wrap your argument about pressures in numbers but ignore the fact that those pressures have meant little/nothing to helping the defense stop the offense. Numbers don't tell the story. Did you know that Carter and Davis haven't gotten a hit on the QB in the last FOUR games? Not one hit. |
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 14, 2023 6:36:14 GMT -5
You sound like Slay...NOBODY on the defense did their job in those two games. Except for maybe Blankenship and he got concussed because he's the only guy who is willing to hit anyone on this defense over the past two games. |
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Post by robbieratchet on Dec 14, 2023 18:23:59 GMT -5
I'll take my two CBs giving up 162 yards and 2 TDs over two games, against two of the best offenses in the league, any day of the week. What do you expect the CBs to do? Keep them to zero TDs in two games? Those are good numbers against good offenses. We lost those games 75-32. Imagine Troy Vincent or Richard Sherman being on the receiving end of those 2 losses, and telling the press "hey man I did my job." No you didn't. You got killed. It's first and foremost on the DC calling stupid coverages, but after a couple big plays you start yelling at him to adjust. Again, imagine Deion Sanders being put on a team's #2 receiver, with their #1 tearing you up. You think he'd say nothing all night? We're heading into Seattle Monday night. I'll be looking for Slay to be on Metcalf, and Bradberry on Lockett. If one of them is on freaking Smith-Njigba, I might throw my remote through the tv. |
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Post by robbieratchet on Dec 16, 2023 17:17:19 GMT -5
Slay and Blankenship out for the Seahawks game.
This could get very ugly.
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 17, 2023 9:34:57 GMT -5
Slay and Blankenship out for the Seahawks game. This could get very ugly. Yeah I saw that. SMH... |
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