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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 19, 2022 17:11:40 GMT -5
Well, the dumbass gameplan having Hurts run the ball over and over got him hurt. Shoulder is sprained. He's out this week and probably the rest of the regular season.
SMH...
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Post by eyrie on Dec 19, 2022 17:47:04 GMT -5
Sounds familiar. MVP calibre QB gets injured as we finish the season the #1 seed in the NFC.
Losing Hurts for the Cowboys game is huge, but Minshew will be enough against the Saints and probably the Giants. We only need one win anyway.
That gives Hurts three weeks plus the bye, so he'll be ready to go in the playoffs. Hopefully with fewer designed runs to reduce the risk of injury.
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Post by dreagon on Dec 19, 2022 19:38:07 GMT -5
Here's hoping he makes a full recovery quickly. Honestly, with both our playoff destinies set, I wouldn't be surprised if we're both rotating in lots of backups for the rest of the season. Give the starters enough playing time to keep them from getting rusty, but get those backups lots of reps.
Also, considering how little the game this week means as opposed to how much the one will mean if we meet again in January, you wonder how deep into the playbooks the coaches are going to be willing to go. For instance, Dak hasn't seen y'alls defense this year, so your DC may be weighing how vanilla to keep it. As for us, I could see us running a lot more Elliot and a lot less Pollard since Pollard would be the one it would hurt us worse if he got injured.
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 20, 2022 6:41:03 GMT -5
Sounds familiar. MVP calibre QB gets injured as we finish the season the #1 seed in the NFC. Losing Hurts for the Cowboys game is huge, but Minshew will be enough against the Saints and probably the Giants. We only need one win anyway. That gives Hurts three weeks plus the bye, so he'll be ready to go in the playoffs. Hopefully with fewer designed runs to reduce the risk of injury. I'm not worried about him being ok, I'm worried about what he'll be like when he comes back. Not playing for 5 weeks (possibly) before playing a meaninful game in the playoffs isn't quite how I'd like to see him ramping up for the playoffs. If Siriani hadn't thought it was a better idea to have Hurts run the ball over and over rather than using his RBs for this, we might not be having this discussion...
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 20, 2022 6:41:53 GMT -5
Here's hoping he makes a full recovery quickly. Honestly, with both our playoff destinies set, I wouldn't be surprised if we're both rotating in lots of backups for the rest of the season. Give the starters enough playing time to keep them from getting rusty, but get those backups lots of reps.
Also, considering how little the game this week means as opposed to how much the one will mean if we meet again in January, you wonder how deep into the playbooks the coaches are going to be willing to go. For instance, Dak hasn't seen y'alls defense this year, so your DC may be weighing how vanilla to keep it. As for us, I could see us running a lot more Elliot and a lot less Pollard since Pollard would be the one it would hurt us worse if he got injured.
Problem is, the Eagles still need to win 1 game. Sure, I don't see that NOT happening but, would much rather have him healthy!
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Post by rumply on Dec 20, 2022 14:33:42 GMT -5
Option plays so a lot of those decisions to run are Jalens, need to change the play calling up, focus on the running backs in those situations, will be very dumb if they do anything similar with him starting the rest of this regular season.
Luckily the injury doesn't sound too bad & he put up very good numbers after sustaining the injury, fingers crossed.
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Post by eyrie on Dec 20, 2022 15:13:08 GMT -5
Sounds familiar. MVP calibre QB gets injured as we finish the season the #1 seed in the NFC. Losing Hurts for the Cowboys game is huge, but Minshew will be enough against the Saints and probably the Giants. We only need one win anyway. That gives Hurts three weeks plus the bye, so he'll be ready to go in the playoffs. Hopefully with fewer designed runs to reduce the risk of injury. I'm not worried about him being ok, I'm worried about what he'll be like when he comes back. Not playing for 5 weeks (possibly) before playing a meaninful game in the playoffs isn't quite how I'd like to see him ramping up for the playoffs. If Siriani hadn't thought it was a better idea to have Hurts run the ball over and over rather than using his RBs for this, we might not be having this discussion... I wouldn't sit the starters completely even if we beat the Cowboys on Saturday night. Instead I'd give them the first half against the Saints and the first quarter against the Giants to keep them ticking over ahead of the bye. But I agree on scrapping the designed runs for Hurts and would instruct him only to run on RPOs if he can do it safely. If that means sliding three yards short of the marker on third down then he needs to know that is his only option there.
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Post by One on Dec 21, 2022 8:50:23 GMT -5
Either I'm overly optimistic or most of these comments are born of negadelphia. - He sprained the shoulder and had a very good game after
- It sounds like if this were the last game and we needed a W to get into the playoffs that he'd play
- The offense is in full strength except for Hurts, and every one of those guys is really good
- The team needs to win only one of Dallas, Saints or Giants
- It sounds likely that even if he misses the Dallas game he'll be ready for either the Saints or the Giants
- Minshew has more starter experience than Rush and is probably better and look what the Cowboys did without Prescott
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Post by rumply on Dec 21, 2022 14:21:06 GMT -5
Looks like the whole thing has been overblown, maybe he starts, maybe he won't, either way it's not like the arm has been amputated...
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 21, 2022 15:20:05 GMT -5
Either I'm overly optimistic or most of these comments are born of negadelphia. - He sprained the shoulder and had a very good game after
- It sounds like if this were the last game and we needed a W to get into the playoffs that he'd play
- The offense is in full strength except for Hurts, and every one of those guys is really good
- The team needs to win only one of Dallas, Saints or Giants
- It sounds likely that even if he misses the Dallas game he'll be ready for either the Saints or the Giants
- Minshew has more starter experience than Rush and is probably better and look what the Cowboys did without Prescott
I'm not panicing, I'm just saying, it sucks. They do need to win one more game. I'd say, if he's 90% or more, he should play this weekend. They still need to get a win. Until that last win happens (or the other people lose), they still have something to play for. And, since he seemed to play well after the injury AND because he's saying he's fine, I let him play unless there's some major medical reason not to. Then, let the starters play a quarter(ish) and then let everyone else play in the following games. If he's worse than that, let him sit and play next week.
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 22, 2022 9:31:04 GMT -5
So, I get it but I don't. People keep arguing, if Hurts is 100% he shouldn't play this weekend. I'm like, huh? If he's 100% why WOUlDN'T he play? They still haven't clinched anything but a playoff birth. I mean, in any other game that has some meaning, if your QB is 100%, you would play him. I don't know why you'd do anything different here.
Sure, they (Cowgirls) get a lot os sacks. Well, so do other teams they'll be playing in the playoffs. You need another win. You screw around and lose this one, who's to say you DO beat the Saints or the vaGiants? Remember, the Saints game will be their Superbowl and they'd love nothing more than to knock off the top team. The vaGiants may still be playing to get into the playoffs and, if not, it'll be THEIR Superbowl--and let's not forget what happened a couple of weeks ago. You don't think they want some revenge?
If he's healthy, he should absolutely play.
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Post by rumply on Dec 22, 2022 13:57:56 GMT -5
Announcement that Minshew will start.
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Post by rumply on Dec 29, 2022 14:15:20 GMT -5
Hurts back practising today so sounding like he could play this week.
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 29, 2022 16:14:35 GMT -5
Hurts back practising today so sounding like he could play this week. If he's 90%, he should play. Stop screwing around with this. They need to clinch all of this. Playing with fire!
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Post by robbieratchet on Dec 30, 2022 9:11:44 GMT -5
He took some really big hits recently. Can we stop running him up the middle for fuck's sakes?
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Post by gadgetrick on Dec 30, 2022 13:57:52 GMT -5
He took some really big hits recently. Can we stop running him up the middle for fuck's sakes? It's more, can we actually run a regular running play where you hand off to a RB every so often? He's a mobile QB, he's always going to be at risk but he's very good at not taking a big hit. The one he got hurt on wasn't a big hit, it was a big land. That can happen anywhere--especially in the pocket. But yeah, let's be smarter with him. Don't force the issue.
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Post by rumply on Dec 30, 2022 17:16:09 GMT -5
Listed as Doubtful so looks like Minshew it is.
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Post by One on Dec 31, 2022 10:42:48 GMT -5
If the defense does their job the offense is plenty good enough to win with Minshew. It'd be interesting to see if Mailata could adjust to RT and play Dillard at LT as some suggest. Get Hurts healthy and sound for the playoffs.
The question is if Gannon gives the Saints the opportunity to win.
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Post by dreagon on Dec 31, 2022 17:11:39 GMT -5
You guys should beat New Orleans with Minshew. We only pulled it out by six points against Minshew and (no homer) we're a lot better than New Orleans.
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Post by JeeQ on Jan 1, 2023 1:27:22 GMT -5
Minshew Mania Brother!
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Post by robbieratchet on Jan 2, 2023 11:23:03 GMT -5
The question is if Gannon gives the Saints the opportunity to win. Can our fanbase honestly cut this shit out? We have the best passing defense in football. We have the 4th most sacks by a team in history, and the most by a team in almost 40 years. Our rushing defense is the weakness and is still middle-of-the-road. We're 2nd in takeaways. For some reason we obsess over comparing every DC we have to Buddy Ryan and Jim Johnson, and nobody will ever be good enough for the WIP crowd. You know, Buddy, who won 0 playoff games, and Johnson, who never won a ring. Gannon has done fine. Maybe if we didn't call 70% pass plays yesterday, we would've done better.
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Post by gadgetrick on Jan 5, 2023 8:50:38 GMT -5
The question is if Gannon gives the Saints the opportunity to win. Can our fanbase honestly cut this shit out? We have the best passing defense in football. We have the 4th most sacks by a team in history, and the most by a team in almost 40 years. Our rushing defense is the weakness and is still middle-of-the-road. We're 2nd in takeaways. For some reason we obsess over comparing every DC we have to Buddy Ryan and Jim Johnson, and nobody will ever be good enough for the WIP crowd. You know, Buddy, who won 0 playoff games, and Johnson, who never won a ring. Gannon has done fine. Maybe if we didn't call 70% pass plays yesterday, we would've done better. I don't care where they're ranked. I care about results. This defense hasn't given the results where it counts. 40 against the Cowgirls? They looked like shit on defense most of the 1st half against the Saints. And they made another QB look like a HOFer. That's my knock on Gannon. He makes ordinary QBs look like an HOFer. The REALLY good ones, they set records left and right against this defense. When they apply pressure on coverage (i.e. play AGGRESSIVE), the numbers don't lie. They are REALLY REALLY good. When they sit back and play that shitty let them catch the ball all over the field defense, they're REALLY REALLY bad. No denying that. They did their job in the 2nd half against the Saints but man they looked bad against a not very good offense in that first half.
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Post by robbieratchet on Jan 6, 2023 11:57:22 GMT -5
I don't care where they're ranked. I care about results. They were 13-1 before Hurts went down, with under 20 points per game given up. No you don't care about results, you care about bitching because Gannon isn't Buddy Ryan or Jim Johnson. If either of them ever went 13-1, your brain would fry if anyone complained, and rightfully so. This is exactly what I'm talking about with our fan base, as you've proved my point.
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Post by rumply on Jan 6, 2023 16:59:16 GMT -5
We need to recognise that this D hasn't played a seriously dangerous opponent in some time but all the while it makes ordinary ones look like world beaters for large periods of games. I mean, WTF was that first defensive series last week? Hmm?
Numbers are just that, numbers. I have zero confidence Gannon can deliver come playoff time. I do however think that his players can. There is a difference.
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Post by robbieratchet on Jan 6, 2023 18:58:32 GMT -5
We need to recognise that this D hasn't played a seriously dangerous opponent in some time but all the while it makes ordinary ones look like world beaters for large periods of games. I mean, WTF was that first defensive series last week? Hmm? Numbers are just that, numbers. I have zero confidence Gannon can deliver come playoff time. I do however think that his players can. There is a difference. Yeah, 13-1 is just that, 13-1. Thank you Exhibit B. On another page, I'm having an argument with a moron who keeps calling Nola a "#3 starter," who honestly isn't aware that he finished 4th in Cy Young voting this year. Being a Philly sports fan is mostly great, but god our fan base sucks ass sometimes. "No way the guy running the best defense in football and goes 13-1 can deliver in the playoffs."
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Post by nephillymike on Jan 7, 2023 5:38:09 GMT -5
The D gave up 13 points!
This loss is squarely on the offensive coordinator, sub par QB play, and questionable WR effort.
How many times do we play a team with a suck ass run defense, against our excellent run offense and we do the math and come up with an Andy Reidish pass happy game plan. It cost Hurts injury and did we learn? Nope.
That was a stupid game plan that exposed us to a loss more than necessary.
Maybe one day we’ll learn
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Post by rumply on Jan 9, 2023 14:46:21 GMT -5
Gannon strikes again letting that bum O make a game of it yesterday, the guy stinks.
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Post by eyrie on Jan 9, 2023 15:23:01 GMT -5
Tough on Smith being the latest one and done HC for a Houston team with little talent, but Gannon seems to be popular with the Texans decision makers so there may be hope for us there.
To make sure, let's win the next three games to add some lustre to his resume.
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Post by robbieratchet on Jan 9, 2023 19:01:49 GMT -5
Gannon strikes again letting that bum O make a game of it yesterday, the guy stinks. Oh, shut the fuck up. They gave up 9 points until a highlight-reel throw/catch in garbage time made it look close to morons.
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Post by nephillymike on Jan 9, 2023 20:53:37 GMT -5
I’m not that big a fan of either coordinator, but results matter.
They’ve both done very well.
Can’t give either less than a B+, even though I’m not a fan of some things they do.
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