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Post by robbieratchet on Jan 7, 2024 18:06:27 GMT -5
I'm done. That's it. Blow the entire thing up. Our most important pieces we have signed for 3+ more years. Otherwise, every single living thing with 2 legs in that locker room should be the fuck outta here. Starting with Sirianni and both (all 4) coordinators.
Sports betting is legal now in Florida. Whatever the line is when we go to Tampa, take the Bucs ALL DAY LONG. We might even be favored by a point or two.
I've never seen such a disgraceful collapse of a sports team sans major injuries in my life. I honestly can't think of a worse collapse with a healthy team. Even the 1964 Phillies had several injuries right before the last stretch.
Pathetic. Heads better roll after we get humiliated in Tampa.
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Post by cteagle on Jan 7, 2024 19:47:57 GMT -5
I'm done. That's it. Blow the entire thing up. Our most important pieces we have signed for 3+ more years. Otherwise, every single living thing with 2 legs in that locker room should be the fuck outta here. Starting with Sirianni and both (all 4) coordinators. Sports betting is legal now in Florida. Whatever the line is when we go to Tampa, take the Bucs ALL DAY LONG. We might even be favored by a point or two. I've never seen such a disgraceful collapse of a sports team sans major injuries in my life. I honestly can't think of a worse collapse with a healthy team. Even the 1964 Phillies had several injuries right before the last stretch. Pathetic. Heads better roll after we get humiliated in Tampa. '94 Eagles are right up there. They were 7-2, finished the season 7-9. During the season they crushed the eventual SB Champ 49ers 40-8. That was the end for Kotite.
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Jan 8, 2024 4:59:05 GMT -5
Post by rumply on Jan 8, 2024 4:59:05 GMT -5
Very hard to equate what I watched today with the team that almost won it all last season. That was a truly pitiful effort.
While I never root against my teams, I would be more than happy for the Bucs to do a number on us just to help fast track the end to whatever this has become.
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Jan 8, 2024 9:04:02 GMT -5
Post by One on Jan 8, 2024 9:04:02 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone can think this isn't a complete coaching failure, and it starts with Sirianni. He hired the coordinators after exhaustive interviewing and replaced his defensive coordinator mid-season with someone who apparently tried to change the schemes. Do you give him a mulligan for that? Do you keep a coach who has antagonized and infuriated almost every other team and fan base with his immaturity on the sidelines, watches his offense become stagnant, predictable and impotent, and his stable of blue chip players devolve from elite to average in a month without having any answers? This was a coach who was one of the most aggressive in-game coaches in the league until the 49ers backed up their whining with a complete humiliation and showed the roadmap to everyone. I get that Sirianni took the Eagles to the SB last year and came close to winning, but how much of that was the players and coordinators? Did the HC get credit for something others accomplished? Their problems this year started with the Pats, went unresolved despite their record and got worse with adversity. Do you keep the CEO and have Howie hire new coordinators, keep Johnson and his staff and replace the defense, just hire a new DC, or wipe the whole slate clean? I'm guessing Nick stays, replaces both coordinators (hopefully experienced and proven) and Howie has veto power. Hopefully soon. I'd like to see guys who were outstanding coordinators who failed as HC - like Dan Quinn - but I'm not asking for much.
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Jan 8, 2024 22:56:14 GMT -5
Post by robbieratchet on Jan 8, 2024 22:56:14 GMT -5
What did I tell you? We're -3 going into Tampa.
We've been given a gift from above. Bet the farm on Tampa!
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Jan 8, 2024 22:59:31 GMT -5
Post by dreagon on Jan 8, 2024 22:59:31 GMT -5
You guys had a rough year after going to the Super Bowl, and you've still made the playoffs. I think it's a little premature to be talking about firing your head coach.
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Jan 8, 2024 22:59:58 GMT -5
Post by robbieratchet on Jan 8, 2024 22:59:58 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone can think this isn't a complete coaching failure, and it starts with Sirianni. He hired the coordinators after exhaustive interviewing and replaced his defensive coordinator mid-season with someone who apparently tried to change the schemes. Do you give him a mulligan for that? Do you keep a coach who has antagonized and infuriated almost every other team and fan base with his immaturity on the sidelines, watches his offense become stagnant, predictable and impotent, and his stable of blue chip players devolve from elite to average in a month without having any answers? This was a coach who was one of the most aggressive in-game coaches in the league until the 49ers backed up their whining with a complete humiliation and showed the roadmap to everyone. I get that Sirianni took the Eagles to the SB last year and came close to winning, but how much of that was the players and coordinators? Did the HC get credit for something others accomplished? Their problems this year started with the Pats, went unresolved despite their record and got worse with adversity. Do you keep the CEO and have Howie hire new coordinators, keep Johnson and his staff and replace the defense, just hire a new DC, or wipe the whole slate clean? I'm guessing Nick stays, replaces both coordinators (hopefully experienced and proven) and Howie has veto power. Hopefully soon. I'd like to see guys who were outstanding coordinators who failed as HC - like Dan Quinn - but I'm not asking for much. Rob Ellis said it best yesterday. Last year we just steamrolled over everyone (outside the SB). Steichen was rolling, and Nick sat at the top and did his thing. This year, when we finally hit some real adversity, the team looked to Nick for answers - and realized he didn't have any. Now they've checked out. I don't see how the HC survives this collapse unless we convincingly win a playoff game - even then, you better believe Lurie is furious at him losing out on at least one playoff game, which is millions of dollars. It sucks, because I had really high hopes for him.
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Post by md717 on Jan 9, 2024 0:18:35 GMT -5
I think we'll see Monday night what's what. Yes, the Giants game was painful to watch. But everyone knew it didn't mean anything as the Cowboys were thumping the W's in real time. They were up 21-10 at halftime and hung 14 more points on them in the third quarter. They were favored by what, 12 or more points? It's not hard to see how motivation could be a problem in that situation. Then your QB gets hurt and . . . ok, let's just mail the rest of this one in and save our strength for next week. So if they come out on Monday night with their hair on fire and smoke the Bucs . . . that will tell me something about their leadership and their individual commitment to winning. If not? Well . . . pass me a torch.
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Post by cteagle on Jan 9, 2024 6:10:03 GMT -5
I think we'll see Monday night what's what. Yes, the Giants game was painful to watch. But everyone knew it didn't mean anything as the Cowboys were thumping the W's in real time. They were up 21-10 at halftime and hung 14 more points on them in the third quarter. They were favored by what, 12 or more points? It's not hard to see how motivation could be a problem in that situation. Then your QB gets hurt and . . . ok, let's just mail the rest of this one in and save our strength for next week. So if they come out on Monday night with their hair on fire and smoke the Bucs . . . that will tell me something about their leadership and their individual commitment to winning. If not? Well . . . pass me a torch. If it were just the Giants, few would be criticizing the Eagles. They lost to the Cardinals when the division title was still there for the taking. This team has been in a free fall since the 49ers game and it has been ugly. This is not simply about losing a game or two that this team should have won. This is literally a historic collapse. Even if they win a playoff game or two, it does not erase the collapse and it does not mean that the numerous problems this team has were addressed.
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Jan 9, 2024 9:08:54 GMT -5
Post by md717 on Jan 9, 2024 9:08:54 GMT -5
I think we'll see Monday night what's what. Yes, the Giants game was painful to watch. But everyone knew it didn't mean anything as the Cowboys were thumping the W's in real time. They were up 21-10 at halftime and hung 14 more points on them in the third quarter. They were favored by what, 12 or more points? It's not hard to see how motivation could be a problem in that situation. Then your QB gets hurt and . . . ok, let's just mail the rest of this one in and save our strength for next week. So if they come out on Monday night with their hair on fire and smoke the Bucs . . . that will tell me something about their leadership and their individual commitment to winning. If not? Well . . . pass me a torch. If it were just the Giants, few would be criticizing the Eagles. They lost to the Cardinals when the division title was still there for the taking. This team has been in a free fall since the 49ers game and it has been ugly. This is not simply about losing a game or two that this team should have won. This is literally a historic collapse. Even if they win a playoff game or two, it does not erase the collapse and it does not mean that the numerous problems this team has were addressed. Fair point. It just seemed that this game in particular pushed some folks over the edge, and that seemed unreasonable to me. i think that the energy of the team and the outcome of Monday's game will tell us a lot about how thorough any housecleaning needs to be.
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Jan 9, 2024 10:45:34 GMT -5
Post by robbieratchet on Jan 9, 2024 10:45:34 GMT -5
Fair point. It just seemed that this game in particular pushed some folks over the edge, and that seemed unreasonable to me. i think that the energy of the team and the outcome of Monday's game will tell us a lot about how thorough any housecleaning needs to be. You still had the division up for grabs for at least an hour and a half, after losing to the 3-win Cardinals at home. This is how they came out in the first half: -Punt -Fumble -Turnover on Downs -Punt -Punt -Interception -Punt That's the team checking out.
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Jan 10, 2024 9:05:58 GMT -5
Post by One on Jan 10, 2024 9:05:58 GMT -5
Did the coaches check out too? That would be the unforgivable.
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Jan 10, 2024 13:46:54 GMT -5
Post by robbieratchet on Jan 10, 2024 13:46:54 GMT -5
Did the coaches check out too? That would be the unforgivable. Not at all, they just have no answers. Matt Patricia is god-awful, Brian Johnson is god-awful, and Sirianni is in over his head. With Steichen running the show we just kept rolling, and at least Gannon could hold average to bad teams.
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Post by nephillymike on Jan 11, 2024 6:05:18 GMT -5
I’ve waited days to see if time has given me any perspective. Very little unfortunately.
It’s Thursday AM and as of now, we’re still 3 point favorites and the Bucs earn you $130 on a $100 bet if you bet them to win Monday. That means everyone has had time to digest the film and what happened and still has determined that they are better than TB on the road. It’s obvious that we can’t handle the blitz, and we’re going up against one of the best blitzing defenses in the league, yet still significant favorites. IMO, that Bucs win earlier in the year was our best, so maybe those matchup advantages will hold. We out yarded them something like 475 to 175, which was significant.
As ugly as this is, I don’t think you can fire Nick. You can sure as hell gut the coordinators, but Nick is like top ten in winning % all time at this point in his career. He deserves the chance to work it out. Who that is any good would take this job after we fired two SB coaches in a few years? Probably nobody worth their salt.
Part of the problem was the false results early on. I heard this at the time, if you input our yards and turnover differentials for each game when we were 10-1, and based on that, compute how many wins we should have at that point, our record should have been 6-5. That’s the level we were playing at. Obviously, all hell broke out after that point. On the better side, before heading into last weeks game, if you remove turnovers, our expected yards per play versus actual was 3rd in the league, the same ranking as last year and slightly better raw numbers. On offense, that points to turnovers as the main reason. I know not the most encouraging but still something.
There’s no roses stats for the defense.
The scary historical reference was the 1981 Eagles. We lost the SB the year before, came out 9-2 in 1981, and then the wheels fell off. We ended up 10-6 I believe and lost a home playoff game to the NYG and the infamous Wally Henry fumbles. Soon after, Vermeil burned out and quit and it was down hill for years. Hopefully we’re not there. Nick doesn’t seem burnt out.
The only thing I got is that yours truly bet the Bucs money line at +130. That normally predicts good things for the other side, so we have that going for us.
My son said it best right after the game. He said he hoped that we played Monday night so we don’t ruin his weekend of playoff football. Another positive !
Let’s all hope we turn it around Monday with a convincing win, and after LAR beat DET, we go to DAL for a second round game rematch which should energize the troops.
We all can hope, right?
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Jan 12, 2024 7:46:20 GMT -5
Post by One on Jan 12, 2024 7:46:20 GMT -5
Interesting stuff, mikey, thanks. Turnovers and defense were our guillotine. Nick is still responsible for Patricia. Desai showed the ability to adjust after halftime in a lot of games, switching coordinators and schemes (apparently) after 11 games wasn't his best move. And, shouldn't Desai have had the same opportunity to fix things and shouldn't his boss have offered some direction there? I know he's an offensive coach, but he's the CEO - right?
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Jan 12, 2024 21:46:56 GMT -5
Post by nephillymike on Jan 12, 2024 21:46:56 GMT -5
I hope Rick is ok.
His impassioned fandom post before the New Year fell on deaf ears , similar to Nicks recent speeches.
Hope the poor guy didn’t jump from the Walt Whitman.
Maybe he’s going to Tampa?
Let’s hope we have a win to give us some hope next week.
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Jan 13, 2024 21:15:58 GMT -5
Post by robbieratchet on Jan 13, 2024 21:15:58 GMT -5
I put $100 on the Bucs moneyline. $235 payout.
If we somehow end up winning, good. That would be so clutch, if Green Bay somehow beat Dallas, and we then went to Detroit.
What the fuck am I talking about? We don't have a prayer in hell. 38-17 Bucs, 7 of those points in absolute garbage time with Mariota.
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Jan 13, 2024 22:09:31 GMT -5
Post by md717 on Jan 13, 2024 22:09:31 GMT -5
I put $100 on the Bucs moneyline. $235 payout. If we somehow end up winning, good. That would be so clutch, if Green Bay somehow beat Dallas, and we then went to Detroit. What the fuck am I talking about? We don't have a prayer in hell. 38-17 Bucs, 7 of those points in absolute garbage time with Mariota. Careful there!! Only bet what you can afford to lose. If you win the $135, you *might* be able to get a nice dinner at the Outback (or maybe Ruby Tuesdays) for you and the Mrs, depending on how many margaritas you order. The thing that makes sports great in general, and the NFL in particular, is the unpredictability of it all. I thought the Browns and Flacco were gonna smoke the Texans earlier today. WRONG! I thought the Chefs were going to be dominating the Dolphins by halftime - wrong again! It's all very compelling, and it's why live sports can generate such confiscatory ad revenues on the Tee-Vee. So I'll have the popcorn ready Monday night, and we'll see what we see!
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Jan 14, 2024 8:56:59 GMT -5
Post by nephillymike on Jan 14, 2024 8:56:59 GMT -5
Now AJ is out.
Ugh!
But, now Baker is questionable.
As the drama builds.....
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Jan 14, 2024 13:30:51 GMT -5
Post by robbieratchet on Jan 14, 2024 13:30:51 GMT -5
Mayfield is 100% starting. Book it.
We're going to get fucking smoked.
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Jan 15, 2024 5:22:24 GMT -5
Post by rumply on Jan 15, 2024 5:22:24 GMT -5
Fun stat - the Packers now have more playoff wins at AT&T Stadium (3) than the Cowboys do (2)
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Jan 15, 2024 7:46:17 GMT -5
Post by dreagon on Jan 15, 2024 7:46:17 GMT -5
Fun stat - the Packers now have more playoff wins at AT&T Stadium (3) than the Cowboys do (2) Funner fact: The Houston Texans now have more playoff wins since 2002 than the Cowboys, AND a popular new QB. If Jerry doesn't figure out what the problem is, and fast, he's going to find himself owning "that other team in Texas".
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Post by robbieratchet on Jan 15, 2024 17:00:12 GMT -5
Fun stat - the Packers now have more playoff wins at AT&T Stadium (3) than the Cowboys do (2) Funner fact: The Houston Texans now have more playoff wins since 2002 than the Cowboys, AND a popular new QB. If Jerry doesn't figure out what the problem is, and fast, he's going to find himself owning "that other team in Texas". Funniest fact: The Jets will win the Super Bowl before Jones sells the team. And guess who's taking over once he dies? One of his two idiot sons. The rest of your life will be watching the Joneses never win anything.
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